Cycle question

[Biggzo]

Hello all...

I had a few questions in regard to my next cycle and would appreciate all of your input. For starters....

24yrs old
6'4
220lbs
Around 13% body fat

My previous cycle was anavar only cycle for 12 weeks. Saw some decent gains. Hardness of muscles, increase of strength, and belly fat loss.

I am planing on taking Testosterone Propionate and primobolan for 12 weeks. 100mg of each every other day mixing them in the same syringe. For PCT I have clomid, and nolva. Should I order Arimidex to be on the safe side? Should I expect gyno problems at these low levels?

Is this cycle sound?

Thank you (and be nice please) As I am trying to do it the correct way and research, getting others input.

[Juturna]

Yes to the A-dex - it's a very smart decision. You can never expect or NOT expect it - but 13%BF is at the higher end of the spectrum - so it's probability is higher than say if you were at 10%.

You don't need Primo...

I think you could run a straight test cycle and see GREAT results. A great first 'real' cycle.

Weeks 1-12 100mg Prop ED = 700 mg/week of Prop

Considering the molecular weight of Prop = 344 The molecular weight of Enanthate = 400 The molecular weight of test suspension (unesterified) = 288

Prop = 83.7% pure test
Enanthate = 72.0% pure test

Therefore, by running 700mg/week of Propionate , you are shooting an equivalent amount of pure test as 813.8 mg/week of Enanthate.

I strongly recommend Prop only - what are your goals?

[D7M]

Agreed with above.

But why prop for your first cycle?

Pinning, even EOD, as you have it, will get real old by the 12 week mark. trust me.

[Juturna]

Agreed with above.

But why prop for your first cycle?

Pinning, even EOD, as you have it, will get real old by the 12 week mark. trust me.

Ahh I missed the EOD - but if that's the case I really think the Test would be too low then - 350mg / wk is not enough IMO.

Biggzo - you should go with Test E or something along those lines, injecting every 3.5 days - EOD like D7M said will get old real fast - what's the point?

[D7M]

^350mg/wk is on the low end. but I he could still makes gains off it.

I know plenty of guys who run lower dose cycle (ie, not the standard 500mg/wk) and make decent gains.

Anyway, yah, go with enth or cyp.

[Matt]

Yeah you can see great gains from 350mgs ew...

[Biggzo]

Juturna, my goals are to gain alittle size and strength without getting huge. I would also like to cut down the body fat as well.

I chose Propionate because from my research it has the least side effects (water retention, chance for gyno) and figured I have to shoot EOD with the primo anyways so might as well mix it.

[Juturna]

Well - I still recommend you not use Primo for your first real cycle.

[Biggzo]

Juturna, why is that?
Please explain your thoughts.

[JiGGaMaN]

looks like a good cycle. not your average first timers cyce, but if you have good gear you should be able to tolerate the eod injects.

and for those who say 350mg/wk of test it too little, theres more test per 100mg with prop ester than enanthate . also, thats the most i use for cycles... dont like test at all.

[c-Z]

Juturna, why is that?
Please explain your thoughts.

The reason for running a simple test only cycle is for obvious reasons... Like. If you were to have a bad side affect and were running 3 things.... Which is the cuplrit? Where as if your running only test and have a nasty side. You know that the test is the cause.

Personally I wouldnt run my test any lower then 400mgs ew. 350 is on the extremely low end. You can see gains with it though.

[weightslinger]

after running a first ever cycle should you expect any more gains naturally from there on out?

[gymnerd]

after running a first ever cycle should you expect any more gains naturally from there on out?

IMO, not if you have already reached your max but the human body is tough to predict.

[Biggzo]

looks like a good cycle. not your average first timers cyce, but if you have good gear you should be able to tolerate the eod injects.

and for those who say 350mg/wk of test it too little, theres more test per 100mg with prop ester than enanthate. also, thats the most i use for cycles... dont like test at all.

Why do you like test. The injects? side effects?

[ted666]

the average male produces 8 grams test a week.

[gymnerd]

the average male produces 8 grams test a week.

b.s.

[JiGGaMaN]

the average male produces 8 grams test a week.

lol.

[c-Z]

it's like 4-9 a day IIRC.... Google search just showed 4-7grams a day. But i could have sworn i have seen it at 8 or 9 at max.....

[ted666]

it's like 4-9 a day IIRC.... Google search just showed 4-7grams a day. But i could have sworn i have seen it at 8 or 9 at max.....

i ddnt mean a week i dont know what i was typing