I need some Advice

[Caseyh5990]

I'm totally a newb to roids but only as far as taking them, but my buddys have all used them before and have seen some serious gains. I'm looking for advice as far as I go. What should I start on? Meal plan?etc Im 6ft 165 and havn't reached any of my natual goals but I plan to do things the right way.

[xavier_888888]

How old are you? Dont even touch any roids yet. The Plan is Educate yourself first.

[Caseyh5990]

Im 21 but I need some education like u said. These forums are crazy I don't no where ot start...

[RANA]

Go to the diet forum and post your stats and your diet. There is a lot of help you can get over there.

[Caseyh5990]

edited and warned. Dont try to be sneaky here, read the rules

[rocky_349]

Do like Rana said and be open minded. this is your one and only body you are talking about and the bros on here know their stuff so just ask questions and listen

[Caseyh5990]

Doesn't every one on this site do roids? I wan't to do this the right way brothers, I want to listen and need some game plans. isn't this the forum to post on?

[westco28]

you are pretty intense guy. do some reading all the info you need here just search

[rocky_349]

This part of the forum is manly steroid questions. There is another part that is for diet questions. go back to the page right before you got into this and scroll down till you see "Diet Questions" then enter that one

[Caseyh5990]

well suggetions on a cyle or should i go by what the internet says? this is why I originally posted on this forum?????????

[D7M]

no one here will recommend a cycle for you.

at your age your natural test production should be through the roof. Why risk possible damage to your endocrine system?

At your age, you should really invest time into to researching training techniques and diet.

I can honestly say I wish I spent more time learning about diet when I was your age.

[Caseyh5990]

Wow ok I will im just saying that I want a jump start is all and Ive had friends with great result and everyone can't pretend lik they didn' roid at my age, I will take the advice but will still roid sorry Im going to do it the right way to avaid damage.... I would like advice even know that no on wants to give it to me. I dont want to do this the righ way

[Caseyh5990]

Oh if my test level is through the roof that woud give me a better chance to keep gains as per my research...Right.. No changing my mind my bros all did it and suceede but I want to spend the money and the time. I just want the appropriate advicebefore I go by roids. I.e order ofline or from my buddy who makes them "***** Labs" He has like 400 cycles of test that he ordered andput together test ent is the name. is that GOod?

[D7M]

edit that lab name!

[Caseyh5990]

fuk guys im such a newb what should i do...

[RANA]

Honesty? Spend a few days/weeks reading the forums on dieting and look at all of the stickies

[beachboygemini]

Casey bro, first of all, stop take a breath and calm down. I am not trying to offend you in any way. It is not safe for you to do steroids at this time. Have you tried creatine or hmb? Thats not what you want to hear. Steroids are for after your body will not respond to proper diet and fitness anymore. We arent trying to be dix, we just couldnt live with ourselves if we gave someone in your
current status, "The Magical Steroid Information".

[Caseyh5990]

Tru and I understand that, but does anyone agree with a mild oral form as a jump start. or what about in about 6 months when my body pleateuas. What is a sticky and I see here the same people posting against me using roids are also posting pro-using asweell. so i appreciate the advice and taking in the consideration my situaton. It must be mental is all, Would anyone recomend aything as a jump start. I hate creatine by the way.????//

[feeldapump89]

Tru and I understand that, but does anyone agree with a mild oral form as a jump start. or what about in about 6 months when my body pleateuas. What is a sticky and I see here the same people posting against me using roids are also posting pro-using asweell. so i appreciate the advice and taking in the consideration my situaton. It must be mental is all, Would anyone recomend aything as a jump start. I hate creatine by the way.????//

Stop continually asking for help you wont receive and if your had the slightest bit of common sense you would use the "SEARCH" tool and come up with these answers within minutes and save yourself the hassle. So now you are informed and we all hope you take the advice of the forum and get your diet in check first. With your slim size 6'0 165lbs you are far from starting a cycle but it seems like you got your heart set on it so be it.

[Caseyh5990]

I plan on doing that, i didnt no that even no that i'm kno now what Im getting into now that people still wouldnt anser my quetions, sorry. If I put post else wheren don't disregard its ultimately my choice. I understand tht I could do a who lot befor I take the roids. but I plan to do that. My regular weight is 185 but I recenlt got in a car accident and am recvering from that combined with the pain meds that gave me . Dam oxys. I was considering theroids a jumpstart to get back n the gyn I feel like my body needs. it. I will get on a good diet plan. I feel fump for not knowing where te "search" tool sorry dude im not on this ste all day. Not saying you are.

[italian4ll]

Ive been looking into gear since high school . Im 20 and ive heard from everyone that 21 is an ok age to use juice. Everywhere you look will tell you that test e or c is good to start with. Dont stack at first in case you experience aromatization(acne, hair loss, gyno/bitch tits). Be careful with orals they can cause serious kidney and liver problems and if you do drink alot of water. Gallons a day. Make sure your diet is right like these guys are saying. You HAVE TO HAVE A PCT(post cycle training) plan. Its the only way to be safe . Take vitamin b-6 milk thistle a multi vitamin protein and get plenty of calories through solid food. Just do your research and gear up correctly

[italian4ll]

Dont rush into anything

[RANA]

Ive been looking into gear since high school . Im 20 and ive heard from everyone that 21 is an ok age to use juice. Everywhere you look will tell you that test e or c is good to start with. Dont stack at first in case you experience aromatization(acne, hair loss, gyno/bitch tits). Be careful with orals they can cause serious kidney and liver problems and if you do drink alot of water. Gallons a day. Make sure your diet is right like these guys are saying. You HAVE TO HAVE A PCT(pre cycle training) plan. Its the only way to be safe . Take vitamin b-6 milk thistle a multi vitamin protein and get plenty of calories through solid food. Just do your research and gear up correctly

It's called Post Cycle Therapy NOT pre cycle training. Who is everyone that told you it's ok to juice at 21? Bad advice. Gallons a day, how many gallons? You do realize you can die from over hydrating! Sounds like you need to do more homework before you tell others informaiton!

[italian4ll]

lol sir stop talking sh** ... in order to die from hyperhydration or "over hydrating" you have to drink between 2 and 3 gallons of water without stopping. depending on the person and i ,of course am not talking in one sitting. but over the course of a day. as far as pre and post, that is obvious and its called a gramatical error. I have been studying steroid and supplements for years and am currently working on my bachelors in sports nutrition and exercise science. Anyways. the guy asked for help and everyone was talking s*** like you so i decided to give him a hand . dont post if you have nothing possitive to offer the thread. maybe you should get off the juice... sounds to me like you are one of the a** holes who give steroid users a bad name. It is proven that steroids dont make you rage. but a person with a bad attitude will find his anger issues amplified by steroid or ph use.

[RANA]

lol sir stop talking sh** ... in order to die from hyperhydration or "over hydrating" you have to drink between 2 and 3 gallons of water without stopping. depending on the person and i ,of course am not talking in one sitting. but over the course of a day. as far as pre and post, that is obvious and its called a gramatical error. I have been studying steroid and supplements for years and am currently working on my bachelors in sports nutrition and exercise science. Anyways. the guy asked for help and everyone was talking s*** like you so i decided to give him a hand . dont post if you have nothing possitive to offer the thread. maybe you should get off the juice... sounds to me like you are one of the a** holes who give steroid users a bad name. It is proven that steroids dont make you rage. but a person with a bad attitude will find his anger issues amplified by steroid or ph use.

First off at no time did I cuss, second by your post you show that you lack the basic knowledge of steroids. In your post it has nothing to do with gramatical error, it simple you have no clue. As far as pre and post and training and theraphy, hell the only thing you got right out of that was "cycle" one out of three not bad... By you telling a 21 year old that they can us gear it clearly shows that you need to do your homework. Who cares about what your getting your bachelors degree in, when they have class on taking steriods and using PCT (the right one) come back and teach us something. You are still taking the basic class and still have not learned shit!

[italian4ll]

well bones stop growing when something known as growth end plate located at the end of all the bones fuse,at the age of 18-21 years. The growth plate (physis) is an area of developing tissue near the ends of long bones, between the widened part of the shaft of the bone (the metaphysis) and the end of the bone (the epiphysis). The growth plate regulates and helps determine the length and shape of the mature bone. The long bones of the body do not grow from the center outward. Instead, growth occurs at each end of the bone around the growth plate. In conclusion the average male stops all growth at the age of 21 at the latest. And so, steroid use at the age of 21 is ok although at this age testosterone levels are higher then an older gentleman it isnt harmful to use them at a young age. Hgh may be a better choice for a younger guy as well

[RANA]

well bones stop growing when something known as growth end plate located at the end of all the bones fuse,at the age of 18-21 years. The growth plate (physis) is an area of developing tissue near the ends of long bones, between the widened part of the shaft of the bone (the metaphysis) and the end of the bone (the epiphysis). The growth plate regulates and helps determine the length and shape of the mature bone. The long bones of the body do not grow from the center outward. Instead, growth occurs at each end of the bone around the growth plate. In conclusion the average male stops all growth at the age of 21 at the latest. And so, steroid use at the age of 21 is ok although at this age testosterone levels are higher then an older gentleman it isnt harmful to use them at a young age. Hgh may be a better choice for a younger guy as well

One of the main issues is just not bone growth, if you talk to a lot of the old guys here that did a cycle in there teens and/or early 20's they are on HRT for the rest of there lives. Part of that is either from taking certain compounds without test, the wrong PCT, or no PCT. Until the age of 24 your test levels are through the roof and they will start leveling out then as you get old start to decrease. We just dont want you guys shutting themselves down for life.

[D7M]

well bones stop growing when something known as growth end plate located at the end of all the bones fuse,at the age of 18-21 years. The growth plate (physis) is an area of developing tissue near the ends of long bones, between the widened part of the shaft of the bone (the metaphysis) and the end of the bone (the epiphysis). The growth plate regulates and helps determine the length and shape of the mature bone. The long bones of the body do not grow from the center outward. Instead, growth occurs at each end of the bone around the growth plate. In conclusion the average male stops all growth at the age of 21 at the latest. And so, steroid use at the age of 21 is ok although at this age testosterone levels are higher then an older gentleman it isnt harmful to use them at a young age. Hgh may be a better choice for a younger guy as well

Has a 21 year old's endocrine system fully developed?

And really, why would you tell a 21 yr old to use HGH? He already has a high output of GH!

Terrible, terrible advice.

[fb4life]

This kid must be googling all the info he's posting. Terrible advice. My advice to italian is to look at the guys that have thousands of posts. They know exactly what they are talking about. Don't give advice to people until you know whats going on.

[marcus300]

well bones stop growing when something known as growth end plate located at the end of all the bones fuse,at the age of 18-21 years. The growth plate (physis) is an area of developing tissue near the ends of long bones, between the widened part of the shaft of the bone (the metaphysis) and the end of the bone (the epiphysis). The growth plate regulates and helps determine the length and shape of the mature bone. The long bones of the body do not grow from the center outward. Instead, growth occurs at each end of the bone around the growth plate. In conclusion the average male stops all growth at the age of 21 at the latest. And so, steroid use at the age of 21 is ok although at this age testosterone levels are higher then an older gentleman it isnt harmful to use them at a young age. Hgh may be a better choice for a younger guy as well

Reckless advice and whats your age? let me guess lol
In humans there isnt an exact age when we stop growing, this is imprinted in our DNA/genes. The endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life.

[italian4ll]

All im saying is that im 20 years old. ive been studying sports medicine since my freshman year (07). And not only do i have book smarts on the subject but i know many guys who have used steroids before the age of 25 and they havent had any problems,when cycling correctly. Steroid use is not safe for anyone no matter what your age. A 40 yr old male takes the same risks as a younger subject. you can get erectile disfunction "limp dick" kidney failure and liver failure ect. at any age if you use steroids incorrectly or use when youre unhealthy

[marcus300]

All im saying is that im 20 years old. ive been studying sports medicine since my freshman year (07). And not only do i have book smarts on the subject but i know many guys who have used steroids before the age of 25 and they havent had any problems,when cycling correctly. Steroid use is not safe for anyone no matter what your age. A 40 yr old male takes the same risks as a younger subject. you can get erectile disfunction "limp dick" kidney failure and liver failure ect. at any age if you use steroids incorrectly or use when youre unhealthy

You know nothing and that shows by your reckless advice, i knew you would be only young trying to state its fine to cycle at your age,read it again. In humans there isnt an exact age when we stop growing, this is imprinted in our DNA/genes. The endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life.

[italian4ll]

Moderate and monitered use of enhancement drugs is ok, you just need to know what youre doing.There are risks and that is the individuals decision. ((((THE INDIVIDUAL MUST UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SERIOUS RISKS)))). I agree with that. But, there are risks that you will die everytime you get up and drive to work. Does that mean you become a hermet??Dont go crazy and use advanced stacks or kill your liver and kidneys with orals, PCT correctlly, get plenty of protein/glutamine/aminos, a multi vitamin, fish oils, vitamin b-6,b-12 ect. prepare for the onset of gyno and aromatization and thats the safest anyone at any age can be. .

[marcus300]

Its pointless debating with a 20yr old kid who cant even wipe his arse properly yet let alone give advice on AAS use and the sides what can occur when cycling to young. Your posts in this thread speak volumes and I cant even be bothered in trying to educate someone so tunnel visioned, you carry on cycling and advicing young kids its fine and there no more dangers than a 40yr old cycling, best of luck your going to need it.

[italian4ll]

I never said there are no more dangers then a 40 yr old. i said you take many of the same risks. The chances of having hrt are higher your endocrine system isnt fully grown. I agree with what you are saying. But everyone takes risks with steroids. That will never change. Im not tunnel visioned im not taking sides and i apreciate the luck. But if someone is going to use gear you mine as well try and tell them the correct way to do it. Just as you should tell them the negative affect it has on the body

[c-Z]

Pms for arguments are cool. No sense in arguing over the internet....

I know i should take my own advice.

Marcus knows his stuff.... I wouldn't question him.

[marcus300]

All im saying is that im 20 years old. ive been studying sports medicine since my freshman year (07). And not only do i have book smarts on the subject but i know many guys who have used steroids before the age of 25 and they havent had any problems,when cycling correctly. Steroid use is not safe for anyone no matter what your age. A 40 yr old male takes the same risks as a younger subject. you can get erectile disfunction "limp dick" kidney failure and liver failure ect. at any age if you use steroids incorrectly or use when youre unhealthy

I never said there are no more dangers then a 40 yr old. i said you take many of the same risks. The chances of having hrt are higher your endocrine system isnt fully grown. I agree with what you are saying. But everyone takes risks with steroids. That will never change. Im not tunnel visioned im not taking sides and i apreciate the luck. But if someone is going to use gear you mine as well try and tell them the correct way to do it. Just as you should tell them the negative affect it has on the body

yes you did ive quoted you! you swap and change your views all the time and my opinion is you you dont know what you are on about, like ive said ive done with trying to even explain to someone so tunnel visioned like yourself, best of luck

[italian4ll]

Ive also seen many 20-25 year old guys on this site in the cycle results section. So people should know the risks and the possibility of side effects through steroid use. They should understand how it can and may hurt there body. But the decision to use steroids remains with them. This guy seems like he is going to use gear regardless so point him in the right direction. Or you could tell him to piss off and he will take steroids regardless and really put himself in a predicament

[italian4ll]

I think that you should calm down and stop insulting me by saying i change my oppinion. it has not changed once i simply added more info. you may be interpretting what im saying incorrectly. I dont appreciate that you say i am tunnel visioned. In fact that is bs. i agreed with you about the risks and problems that way occur when using steroids at an early age. This forum is supossed to be informational not a brother bashing parade. Once again there are risks for everyone that uses performance enhancement drugs. period

[marcus300]

Ive been taking gear longer than you have been alive, now dont just read that or disregard it, digest what I am saying to you! ive seen that many young guys who have started using gear before their HPTA is fully functional and who are on HRT for life its scary! granted it doesn't happen in all of them but let me tell you these type of forums are littered with problems and damage what's occurred by this issue, so you can see that some 20yrs old guy trying to tell me its ok doesn't ring true.