Need AAS Cycle Validation

[hit_my_max]

Hi folks,

I've been on GH (Saizen) 4 IUs ED with 100 mcg T4 for about 4 months now. I'm ready for my AAS cycle now. I'm 39, 6'4, 230 lbs (lean, strong) and train hard (have been doing so for a while). Diet is solid also.

Here's what I'm thinking, as my focus is some growth with cutting/definition:

Weeks 1-10:
·Sustanon 250 - 1ml (250mg) every 3rd day
·Oxandrolone (Anavar) – 50mg ED.
·Winstrol – 100mg (injectable) EOD.
·Arimidex (Anastrozole) – 0.25mg ED.


Weeks 11-16 (PCT):
·Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs 500iu 25mgs 1000iu
2 20mgs 500iu 25mgs 1000iu
3 20mgs 500iu 25mgs 1000iu
4 20mgs 25mgs
5 20mgs 25mgs
6 20mgs

Question on the Winstrol - is it OK to shoot 100mg EOD instead of 50mg ED? Also, I'll be shooting the Sust every 3rd day, so with Winny EOD that makes for lots of IM shots and a lot of site rotation - thus the EOD thought.

Comments? Thanks!!

[D7M]

do you know your body fat?

do you plan on continuing the GH (at the same dose) throughout the AAS cycle?

the winny has to be ED, due to it's half life.

you should also consider adding clomid to the pct.

[hit_my_max]

do you know your body fat?

do you plan on continuing the GH (at the same dose) throughout the AAS cycle?

the winny has to be ED, due to it's half life.

you should also consider adding clomid to the pct.

I will continue to run the GH and T4, yes - should've noted that above. I took this PCT from this post as-is: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

[D7M]

If you want maximum growth, and you have the money, you could consider bumping your GH dose up when you hit cycle.

Yes, I know Pinn recommends nolva only for pct. In fact, I have recovered fine with nolva only after a mild cycle.

Still, clomid does things that nolva doesn't. And at 39 yrs old, you'll want a very solid pct.

[hit_my_max]

If you want maximum growth, and you have the money, you could consider bumping your GH dose up when you hit cycle.

Yes, I know Pinn recommends nolva only for pct. In fact, I have recovered fine with nolva only after a mild cycle.

Still, clomid does things that nolva doesn't. And at 39 yrs old, you'll want a very solid pct.

Very good point. Should I run 100mg Clomid for the first 2 weeks and 50mg for the next 4 of my PCT then? With everything else as-is?

As for bumping the GH - sure, I can do it (it is effing expensive though) - would you say 8 IUs ED? One shot in the AM and one before bed?

[D7M]

Very good point. Should I run 100mg Clomid for the first 2 weeks and 50mg for the next 4 of my PCT then? With everything else as-is?

As for bumping the GH - sure, I can do it (it is effing expensive though) - would you say 8 IUs ED? One shot in the AM and one before bed?

50mg clomid ED for 4 weeks is fine imo.

8ius would be very nice with that cycle.

And you'd probably benefit more from splitting up your GH shots throughout the day than having two large spikes

[hit_my_max]

50mg clomid ED for 4 weeks is fine imo.

8ius would be very nice with that cycle.

And you'd probably benefit more from splitting up your GH shots throughout the day than having two large spikes

I can't pin myself more than twice a day - work schedule won't allow it, unfortunately...

[D7M]

bummer. With higher doses of GH it's best to mimics your bodies own natural pulses of GH.

If you wanna be really hardcore, set a clock to take a shot in the middle of the night

nonetheless, it sounds like a nice cycle.

good luck.

[hit_my_max]

Three more questions:

1. Can I combine the Winny and Sust on the same syringe? This will save me pinning twice on overlap days of both injections.

2. Are there any recommended sites for Winny injections? I plan on shooting the Sust on glutes, but I need to vary sites so I don't pin more than once on the same site per week - so since I'm planning on every 3rd day for Sust, I'm planning on rotating b/w right and left glutes for that on every injection. That leaves Winny sites needed for non-overlapping days (assuming I can have both combined in the same shot). Any suggestions on this?

3. Can the Winny be shot sub-q at all? That would be AWESOME. I have lots of 29g 1cc slin pins for my GH, and if I could shoot 50mg (1cc==1ml==50mg) ED of Winny sub-q I'd be all set from a pinning perspective...

[sizerp]

I wouldn't run HCG in your PCT, isntead during cycle to prevent shrinkage and a faster recovery for the PCT itself. Also, no AI in PCT, since you are incorporating one in your cycle. You run the risk of an estro rebound otherwise.

Shoot the HCG 250I.U. every 3 days, or 500I.U. every 5 days weeks 6-9. I also agree with adding Clomid 50/50/50/50 or 100/50/50/50.

[hit_my_max]

I wouldn't run HCG in your PCT, isntead during cycle to prevent shrinkage and a faster recovery for the PCT itself. Also, no AI in PCT, since you are incorporating one in your cycle. You run the risk of an estro rebound otherwise.

Shoot the HCG 250I.U. every 3 days, or 500I.U. every 5 days weeks 6-9. I also agree with adding Clomid 50/50/50/50 or 100/50/50/50.

Thanks for these suggestions. The reason for Aromasin during the PCT was solely to combat potential estrogen build-up from the HCG shots. If I run the HCG in-cylce then I won't need Aromasin at all, since I run Arimidex during the cycle itself. Are you then suggesting a PCT of just Nolva and Clomid, nothing else?

The dosage for the HCG seems low. Pinn suggested 1000IUs ED for PCT, you're suggesting 500 IUs every 5 days, that's only 100 IUs ED. Is that enough gonadotropin to protect my jewels ?

[D7M]

why don't you just drink the winny?

[hit_my_max]

why don't you just drink the winny?

Is that OK? For real? I hear one shouldn't do that... What are the pros/cons/risks of drinking that stuff? Any liver toxicity repercussions?

[D7M]

Yes, you can really drink winny.

Easier to dose multiple times throughout the day, and less of a pain than injecting.

You are running it a bit on the long side (10 weeks), though.

[hit_my_max]

Yes, you can really drink winny.

Easier to dose multiple times throughout the day, and less of a pain than injecting.

You are running it a bit on the long side (10 weeks), though.

I was thinking about that - should I reduce the Winny to 5 weeks total? That would mean I'd start it mid-cycle...

[D7M]

I was thinking about that - should I reduce the Winny to 5 weeks total? That would mean I'd start it mid-cycle...

that'd be fine

[Mooseman33]

great call on the length of the winny.
i was going to suggest the same.
running winny for 10 weeks would just cripple ur joints, i will never take again for how bad it hurt me.

good luck with cycle, looks like a good one..

[hit_my_max]

Cool,

Just to recap, this is what this portion of my cycle will look like, starting next week:

Weeks 1-14 (just continuing what I've been on for 4 months):
·Saizen HGH – 8 ius daily (4 in the AM, 4 before bed).
·T4 – 100 mcg ED.
·Alpha Lipoic Acid – 300mg ED.
·Vitamin E – 1000 IUs.

Weeks 1-5:
·Sustanon 250 (Durateston) – 1 ml injected every 3rd day.
·Oxandrolone (Anavar) – 50mg ED.
·HCG – 250 IUs sub-q 3 times a week (Sun, Tue, Thur).
·Arimidex (Anastrozole) – 0.25mg ED.

Weeks 6-10:
·Sustanon 250 (Durateston) – 1 ml injected every 3rd day.
·Oxandrolone (Anavar) – 50mg ED.
·Winstrol – 50mg (1 ml) ED drank orally throughout the day.
·HCG – 250 IUs sub-q 3 times a week (Sun, Tue, Thur).
·Arimidex (Anastrozole) – 0.25mg ED.

Weeks 11-14 (PCT):
Week Nolvadex Clomid
1 40mg 100mg
2 20mg 50mg
3 20mg 50mg
4 20mg 50mg

Any additional recommendations? SUPER THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP !!

[sizerp]

Excellent! Yeah you don't want to run HCG for PCT and espec at that dose you suggested (1000IU) because it can desensitize your leydig cells and actually prevent you from recovering. You want to shoot it during cycle to prevent shrinkage to begin with. Anyway your final layout looks awesome. GL to you man!

[hit_my_max]

excellent! Yeah you don't want to run hcg for pct and espec at that dose you suggested (1000iu) because it can desensitize your leydig cells and actually prevent you from recovering. You want to shoot it during cycle to prevent shrinkage to begin with. Anyway your final layout looks awesome. Gl to you man!

thanks!