14 weeks bulking cycle...

**apocalypsebr** · 09-02-2009, 09:08 AM

Age 23
Weight 82kg
Height 1.73m
BF% 10%

This is going to be my 4th cycle...i aways get better results by mixing 3 or 4 diferent drugs. this time I´m using the drugs that gave me better results in previous cycles, except for the test.prop that i´m going to use for the first time...
Here in brazil we have easy and cheap acces to durateston (sustanon ), and it´s de only test i´ve used so far... it´s extremely rare to find any feedback on other kind of test arroud here so i´m counting on you to give me some feedback about this ester, especially about the dosage.

Heres the cycle, hope you understand this mess

---Test. Prop--------Tren . A------Oxymetholone-------dianabol ------insulin
1--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
2--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
3--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
4--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
5--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
6--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
7--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
8--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
9--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
10-150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
11-150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
12-150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
13----------------------------------------------------50mg/ED----------
14----------------------------------------------------50mg/ED----------

**ninesecz** · 09-02-2009, 09:10 AM

Wow those are high doses.... 1050mg aweek of test and 700mg a week of tren ! why do yo need to run the doses so high? and 700mg a week of tren is crazy IMO

***D7M*** · 09-02-2009, 09:12 AM

what is your cycle history? dose and duration?

I seriously doubt that you need a gram a week of test to grow. '

The tren dose is a bit high to start with, you might want to start lower and asses the sides. You can always bump up the dose during cycle if you want.

Have you used slin before? because 15ius is a bit much to start out with.

**apocalypsebr** · 09-02-2009, 09:20 AM

my previous cycles were:

1st - sustanon - 500mg/week - 12 weeks
Nandrolone Decanoate - 250mg/week - 12 weeks
Oxymetholone - 100mg ED - 4 weeks

2nd - sustanon - 750mg/week - 12 weeks
Nandrolone Decanoate - 300mg/week - 12 weeks
Dianabol - 50mg ED - 6 weeks

3rd - sustanon - 1gr/week - 12 weeks
Tren . A - 75mg/ED - 8 weeks
Dianabol - 50mg ED - 6 weeks

I´ve used insulin several times before, but this 15ui´s are just a reference, i´m probably starting at 10ui and bump the doses until 15ui´s...

In my previous cycles i´ve never had any sides... not even acne...

***D7M*** · 09-02-2009, 09:22 AM

You honestly do not need to keep upping the dose like that every cycle.

If you can't make decent gains of 750mg/wk of test, then there is a issue with either diet, rest or training.

what will be your next cycle then? 1500mg/wk of test? see what I'm getting at? You'll be 25yrs old running a couple grams a week, wondering why you're not seeing great gains.

**ninesecz** · 09-02-2009, 09:24 AM

what we are asking.. is there a reason you bumped up the tset dose250mg every cycle? most use 500mg untill they find it hard to grow anymore on 500 then bump up... are you just assuming you need that much cause after 3 cycles I do not see any reason why you would need 1000mg

**stpete** · 09-02-2009, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by apocalypsebr

Age 23
Weight 82kg
Height 1.73m
BF% 10%

This is going to be my 4th cycle...i aways get better results by mixing 3 or 4 diferent drugs. this time I´m using the drugs that gave me better results in previous cycles, except for the test.prop that i´m going to use for the first time...
Here in brazil we have easy and cheap acces to durateston (sustanon ), and it´s de only test i´ve used so far... it´s extremely rare to find any feedback on other kind of test arroud here so i´m counting on you to give me some feedback about this ester, especially about the dosage.

Heres the cycle, hope you understand this mess

---Test. Prop--------Tren . A------Oxymetholone-------dianabol ------insulin
1--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
2--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
3--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
4--150mg/ED-----------------------100mg/ED----------------------------
5--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
6--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
7--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
8--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED---------------------------------- 15ui/PWO
9--150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
10-150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
11-150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
12-150mg/ED-------100mg /ED------------------------50mg/ED-----------
13----------------------------------------------------50mg/ED----------
14----------------------------------------------------50mg/ED----------

First i think you'd be fine w/100mgs of prop ed.
Here's what i'd do: weeks 1-14 - 100mgs prop ed
4- 12 - 100mgs tren a ed
Drop the d-bol unless it's at the beginning of the cycle for 4 weeks. Drop the insulin. Can't respond to the anadrol cause i've never used it.
Have you ran tren a before and know what you're getting into? That's the dosage i usually run but i have 6+ years dealing with the stuff and i handle the sides pretty good.

**apocalypsebr** · 09-02-2009, 09:27 AM

I just decided to up the test doses on this cycle because there´s no comercial test.pro in brazil, so i´m gonna buy underground stuff and there´s a GREAT chance that it os gonna to be sub-dosed (don´t even know if this word exists in english =D )...

**ancientgr** · 09-02-2009, 09:32 AM

Easy D7M, the guy never said he didn't grow or that he didn't see decent results. He's asking for your comments, not your misreading or inferring something he clearly did not say, and then berating him for your misconceptions.

**apocalypsebr** · 09-02-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

First i think you'd be fine w/100mgs of prop ed.
Here's what i'd do: weeks 1-14 - 100mgs prop ed
4- 12 - 100mgs tren a ed
Drop the d-bol unless it's at the beginning of the cycle for 4 weeks. Drop the insulin . Can't respond to the anadrol cause i've never used it.
Have you ran tren a before and know what you're getting into? That's the dosage i usually run but i have 6+ years dealing with the stuff and i handle the sides pretty good.

In the last week of my previous cycle i´ve taken 150mg/ED of tren.a to use the all the bottle... no sides at all... except for the excessive sweating

***D7M*** · 09-02-2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by ancientgr

Easy D7M, the guy never said he didn't grow or that he didn't see decent results. He's asking for your comments, not your misreading or inferring something he clearly did not say, and then berating him for your misconceptions.

Berating? pffft. that wasn't even close to berating. I was being polite.

Regardless, my point still stands.

I see no reason at his age or stats that he needs a gram a week of test.

Now back to the topic at hand....

**stpete** · 09-02-2009, 09:42 AM

OK then. Why the slin? You think you really need it?

**apocalypsebr** · 09-02-2009, 09:48 AM

For bulking, yes! There are several reasons why i need it for bulking but the most important one is that it´s the only thing that can BUMP my apetite... without slin I can´t eat more than 3.800...4.000 kcals... and I need way much more than that... hardgainer...

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So... any feedback on 1gr/week test.prop?