Shutting down natural test for good.

[anabolictonic]

At what point would you permanently damage your hpta? Could you cycle for say 18 months and use hcg and have some hope of gaining back natty test function or would you have to kiss it goodbye? Im guessin all the pros end up being on hrt? Any real life experiences from anyone that has had to go on hrt because of aas?
Thanks boys.

[aldemoro]

no you can go for a 8 month cycle but you need to trt it so you can stay big for longer. i recon you can get you natty test back within 2 or 3 months after that. I know this because of the guys in the gym do it but its your option 2 is shorter cycle but you use more juice.

[Tarheel]

I was reading an article the other day that some mexican dude ran gear for 18 years straight! Im serious! It stated that it will be difficult to get his test going but the body is miraculous at homeostasis and after a long term pct he has hope...

[canadian meat]

It all depends on the person and their ability to recover

[alpmaster]

There is no answer to this. There are people who have low test naturally, people that ****ed up their HPTA after one cycle, people who are fine after 6 cycles and can't even spell PCT - it just comes down to the individual.

[marcus300]

There isn't a straight forward answer or length of time what is going to cause permanent damage to your HPTA, I know some guys who have been cruising and cycling for 20yrs and they have no problems at coming off and having babies, but I also know plenty who have serious issues when staying on to long or keep their systems shutdown for long periods of time, I would say if there was some kind of poll taken of bodybuilders there would be more of a % who have issues rather than those who dont.

There is also those guys who have serious complication even after one cycle and never seem to get running at full hormones again. Majority of the guys you see in the gym wont tell you the truth anyway, when they say they come off and recover and stay big and ripped, i say bullsh1t. When really they are always on cycle and still using its just they dont class using small amount being on!!, there is so much bull said in gyms.

From my personal experience i cycled on and off for around 17 years, in that time i used short cycles, long cycles, blast & cruise and many other protocols to find which one was the best for sides vs gains and without doubt my AAS use was the main contributing factor to why i started HRT in my late 30's and its for life!, my endro stated it drained the life out of my HPTA and it fast forwarded the time for to start HRT by many yrs,I agree with him. Ive seen over the last 20 odd yrs ive been doing this so many guys going on HRT in their 20's,30's its shocking its plain to see what is causing it and its something what we all probably must accept.

My Doctor said there is a huge number of people going on HRT and issue surrounding hormones in younger people is increasing and if they loook into their backgrounds majority have some form of history of steroid use, i dont think you can denie the fact thats its linked it more of acceptance if you are one of these people its going to effect, there is also the exception to the general rule and some never had recover problems at all but odds on you will have IMHO.

[anabolictonic]

marcus awesome post thanks, you always have valuable info and experiences to contribute

[alpmaster]

I gotta know because it's killing me... is that you in your avatar?

[aldemoro]

I gotta know because it's killing me... is that you in your avatar?

you joker thats dorian yates on that avatar marcus has

[marcus300]

you joker thats dorian yates on that avatar marcus has

I think he meant the guy with the arm pit tattoo

[alpmaster]

you joker thats dorian yates on that avatar marcus has

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you..

[hankdiesel]

I think he meant the guy with the arm pit tattoo

^ x2

[ninesecz]

It would seem to me Mrcus would have got a bad as picture of Marcus Ruhl for his Avy.. But maybe I am crazy>>