Is this Enough Test E per week to run a Cycle

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 02:46 PM

Hey...I was wondering if you guys thought 300mg of Test a week for 10 weeks is ok for a first cycle...and would there be any decent gains off of 300

***D7M*** · 09-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Sure, it's possible to make gains off 300mg/wk.

stats:

age?
height?
weight?
bf?
training exp?
pct?

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 02:51 PM

Personally.... 300 is a bit low IMO... Can you still make gains... I'de say yes... I've never run it that low... And personally wouldn't go below 400mg ew...... but... It's your choice.

I don't see a point in shutting my natty test down for such a low dose... 400-500 is a decent starting point if you ask me.

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 02:52 PM

age: 25
Weight: 160
Bf%: 17
Height: 5'8

I am just planning a cycle...I have no intentions of running it at least 6 months...

would 500 a week be better for 12 weeks

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 02:54 PM

Oh the PCT would be 40, 40, 20, 20 Nolvadex
and the clomid 100, 50, 50, 25...I havn't reallt checked on the clomid yet...so take that with a grain of salt

***D7M*** · 09-04-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by mrnotducks

age: 25
Weight: 160
Bf%: 17
Height: 5'8

I am just planning a cycle...I have no intentions of running it at least 6 months...

would 500 a week be better for 12 weeks

yes, 500mg/wk for 12 weeks would be better,

but from your stats you should definitely hold off on that cycle. Get that body fat down, build a good solid base.

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 02:57 PM

yeah thats my plan..(gotta get a good base and drop the bf)......thanks..

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 02:58 PM

Do you have any muscle at all? 17% seems high for someone who is 5'8 and 160lbs...... 160 isn't much man...... Very light.

Definitely get your diet in check. Cardio and Diet will do you well.

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:03 PM

Yeah....I have muscle...lol...I spent about a month in the diet section...got it dialed in...cardio....4 days a weeks...with a 4 day split routine....

2000 cals......

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 03:05 PM

I would post a pic up and have a guestimate bf check.

**CrazyHorse13** · 09-04-2009, 03:07 PM

Ok I will......but I had it check by my old wrestling coach.....It was two months ago....I really think I weigh 167 now...been building muscle....and losing fat...it would make me feel really good if my bf was 16

**RIPSpawn** · 09-04-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by mrnotducks

Yeah....I have muscle...lol...I spent about a month in the diet section...got it dialed in...cardio....4 days a weeks...with a 4 day split routine....

2000 cals......

2000 cals? lol

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:12 PM

calories....2000.....

230 grams Protein
120 grams Carbs
20 grams Fats

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 03:23 PM

think my girl eats more calories then that bro........

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:26 PM

Im cutting....

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 03:28 PM

AHHHH well i see.... rather low... 160lbs and 5'8 and cutting..........

***FireGuy*** · 09-04-2009, 03:30 PM

I have always maintained bf% not weight should dictate whether one is cutting/bulking and at 17% he should be trying to shed some bodyfat regardless of how light he may be.

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:30 PM

I just want to see my six pack again.........lol....my plan is to getmy body fat down to around 13...that would be nice..lol and then bulk....

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 03:33 PM

2000 calories is low imo... 17% bf isn't that bad.......

***FireGuy*** · 09-04-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

2000 calories is low imo... 17% bf isn't that bad.......

For a guy cutting with 138lbs of lean 2000 calories isnt too far off depending on how much cardio he is doing. I am cutting at 2400 calories and I started at 240lbs and doing 2 hours of cardio a day.

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:37 PM

Yeah...Im just trying to keep my protein up....with vitamins as well

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:37 PM

30 mins after workout........4 days a week

**ninesecz** · 09-04-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by mrnotducks

calories....2000.....

230 grams Protein
120 grams Carbs
20 grams Fats

this is not even close to 2000 calories!!!

230 protein = 920calories
120 carbs = 480calories
20 fat = 180 calories

his equals 1580 calories... Unless your calories are coming from something other that those three which is completely impossible... You are almost 500 caloreis light

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:42 PM

350 cals for the protein shake

on top of the food.......I use fit day to keep a total...I usually hit right at 1900-2000-2100

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

For a guy cutting with 138lbs of lean 2000 calories isnt too far off depending on how much cardio he is doing. I am cutting at 2400 calories and I started at 240lbs and doing 2 hours of cardio a day.

I'm not going to argue it.... You know much more then i do on diet i'm sure...... Just seems low.....

Personally I wouldn't want to be cutting at 160lbs though either.... Even at 17% bf... But then again everyones goals are different and the 6 pack cut look isnt what i want.

**mrnotducks** · 09-04-2009, 03:46 PM

I love this site....I swear it can be addicting....lol

***FireGuy*** · 09-04-2009, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

I'm not going to argue it.... You know much more then i do on diet i'm sure...... Just seems low.....

Personally I wouldn't want to be cutting at 160lbs though either.... Even at 17% bf... But then again everyones goals are different and the 6 pack cut look isnt what i want.

Not coming across argumentative at all. The best threads are the ones where we can have a discussion and elicit opinions from others. I was just giving you an example. Doesnt make me right by any means.

***FireGuy*** · 09-04-2009, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

I'm not going to argue it.... You know much more then i do on diet i'm sure...... Just seems low.....

Personally I wouldn't want to be cutting at 160lbs though either.... Even at 17% bf... But then again everyones goals are different and the 6 pack cut look isnt what i want.

That is a great line and something we all would do well to remember. All too often (myself included) we tend to give advice as to what our goals are and forget that not everyone has the same ones.

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 04:06 PM

Indeed.... And that is my problem a lot... 2000 calories and cutting at 160 wouldnt be something i would do..... I should have asked ahead of time his goals and everything... My mistake.

It wasn't meant like arguing.... BUT more so don't want to be clashing with a vet especially when i know your knowledge is far greater bro.

**RIPSpawn** · 09-04-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

I'm not going to argue it.... You know much more then i do on diet i'm sure...... Just seems low.....

Personally I wouldn't want to be cutting at 160lbs though either.... Even at 17% bf... But then again everyones goals are different and the 6 pack cut look isnt what i want.

Yeah, I am of the bulk first idea, even if you get chubby. I mean, what is the point walking around at 130 lbs ? So you can get beat up at every bar you are at and punked in front of your girlfriend? So people who lift can point at you and laugh cause you look weak?

Gotta build a frame to have something to cut into. I think girls don't mind if you carry a few extra lbs if you are buff compared to being rail thin with a six pack.

BG · 09-04-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by RIPSpawn

Yeah, I am of the bulk first idea, even if you get chubby. I mean, what is the point walking around at 130 lbs ? So you can get beat up at every bar you are at and punked in front of your girlfriend? So people who lift can point at you and laugh cause you look weak?

Gotta build a frame to have something to cut into. I think girls don't mind if you carry a few extra lbs if you are buff compared to being rail thin with a six pack.

This is a childish post. Its in your best interest to keep your bf low allowing your body to be more naturaly anabolic , hence giving you better gains for all your hard work in the gym.

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by RIPSpawn

Yeah, I am of the bulk first idea, even if you get chubby. I mean, what is the point walking around at 130 lbs ? So you can get beat up at every bar you are at and punked in front of your girlfriend? So people who lift can point at you and laugh cause you look weak?

Gotta build a frame to have something to cut into. I think girls don't mind if you carry a few extra lbs if you are buff compared to being rail thin with a six pack.

Indeed i feel the same way.... Everyones goals are different though... Some people would much rather trim and then try to bulk...

But in some sense i don't see it as logical..... When you bulk your bf% is going to increase slightly anyways.... So unless you plan on just cutting and staying trim... then ok... but for me... i will stick with bulking until i feel i have reached a decent enough size worth cutting...... Which will probably be never..... I like to cheat in meals every now and then.. and trying to maintain a low bf% just sucks. I watch my buddy and don't want to be like him.

Just because you don't weigh a lot doesn't mean your going to get your ass kicked in every bar though....... Personally I dont mind carrying a little bit extra weight either.... But ive seen some mean dudes at around 160lbs.... Look at some of the UC guys.... W.e class i have seen soe of them only around 160lbs...

BG · 09-04-2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by c-Z

Indeed i feel the same way.... Everyones goals are different though... Some people would much rather trim and then try to bulk...

But in some sense i don't see it as logical..... When you bulk your bf% is going to increase slightly anyways.... So unless you plan on just cutting and staying trim... then ok... but for me... i will stick with bulking until i feel i have reached a decent enough size worth cutting...... Which will probably be never..... I like to cheat in meals every now and then.. and trying to maintain a low bf% just sucks. I watch my buddy and don't want to be like him.

Just because you don't weigh a lot doesn't mean your going to get your ass kicked in every bar though....... Personally I dont mind carrying a little bit extra weight either.... But ive seen some mean dudes at around 160lbs.... Look at some of the UC guys.... W.e class i have seen soe of them only around 160lbs...

But how does higher BF help you?? I dont understand your point??It just makes you fatter.

**c-Z** · 09-04-2009, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by BG

But how does higher BF help you?? I dont understand your point??It just makes you fatter.

I'm not saying i pack on 50lbs of fat........ but bulking i usually put slightly a little more bf on.... And personally I can afford a little more fat.....