First "real" cycle

[tsjca213]

I posted another one of my stupid cycles here a week ago and got responses that i needed to do more research, it was frustrating, but now i've tried to do some research, i bought the book "Anabolic steroids: ultimate research guide vol 1" by anthony roberts, now i just came across the sticky post "Anthony roberts is fired", does this means his book is not worth listening to? If so then 'im loaded up with a decent amount of wrong information, anyway, this is what i came up with after reading the book and some here at the forums. Some stats first, i'm 21, 200 pounds, i've done maybe 5 cycles in the past, none of them really counts, since i had no idea what a cycle was, my favorite was 1ml tren eod only, without pct offcourse, you learn later. My diet and training is where i want it to be. I am sensitive to gyno.

Week 1-13 Enanthat 500mg
Week 1-12 Eq 400mg
Week 1-4 Dianabol 20mg

Letrozole .5mg ed (should i start with this same day as i start my cycle and continue all the way until i start my pct?)

Week 15-19 Nolvadex 20mg
Week 15-19 Exemestane 20mg
Week 15-18 HCG 500iu

I'm very unsure of if i should do letrozole or arimidex, after what i have read letrozole is prefered in shorter periods but have a greater effect on preventing/reversing gyno? Any sugestions?

[c-Z]

Bro. For a first cycle... You don't have to research your ass off... just understand the way the stuff you are taking works... If you haven't found that test e is the best building block for getting into the world of steroids.... Then you aren't researching much. And the lounge doesn't count.

A simple sticky explains the best beginner cycle.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

How did you happen to miss that........

EQ....... That shit is garbage IMO. Such a mild steroid. The effects of it are so useless my trash doesn't even want it.

Letro is some strong stuff. If your going to use an AI. Ide run adex at .25mg eod.

Hope this helps.

[sigman roid]

I agree with c-z i used EQ in the past and it aint really up to much imo,just run a simple test E cycle and that should be enough run adex as suggested above

[marcus300]

5 cycles no PCT and your 21yrs old, slow down and stop cycling get some bloodwork done, see were you are.

[lovex]

5 cycles no PCT and your 21yrs old, slow down and stop cycling get some bloodwork done, see were you are.

I agree with Marcus..first get blood test done...it seems u had already done damage to your system....Now Slow Down.

[c-Z]

Damn how did i miss that....... 21... 5th cycle... WOW.

[CHAP]

5 cycles no PCT and your 21yrs old, slow down and stop cycling get some bloodwork done, see were you are.

You really need to do this. Make a dr appt and have a serious hormone panel ran.

[BJJ]

I posted ... I'm very unsure of if i should do letrozole or arimidex, after what i have read letrozole is prefered in shorter periods but have a greater effect on preventing/reversing gyno? Any sugestions?

This is what you have written:
"I posted another one of my stupid cycles here a week ago and got responses that i needed to do more research, it was frustrating, but now i've tried to do some research, i bought the book "Anabolic steroids: ultimate research guide vol 1" by anthony roberts,..."
Did you read it with attention? Then you may have realized your efforts were located in the wrong direction.
By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail...

Look, why don't you just stop for a while thinking how you could manage the whole situation. Forget steroids for a minute.
Under my opinion, I am 36yo and train since 15y, if I was on your shoes I would get in touch with a good endocrinologist and a good nephrologist, at first.
Then, I would be really outspoken telling them what I have done to my body. Surely, you will undergo a blood analyses check, a thyroid echography and I believe also a professional BMI screen.
After all those exams, in case more since it depends from your blood work results, you can have an idea of your inner-glands situation.
Think about, it's your health and you do not have another one.

You know what Groucho Marx said once:
"These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others".

[tsjca213]

Well i actually made an appointment at my doctor before i posted this thread. Now that i have gotten into steroids more seriously i'm not ignoring any parts of the game.
I've been training natural for around three months now and i make good gains naturally so maybe my genetics don't need so much pct.
i've read the whole book except some drug profiles.
I have my reasons for doing eq.
I was just posting this to hear if the cycle and pct looked ok.

[lovex]

Well i actually made an appointment at my doctor before i posted this thread. Now that i have gotten into steroids more seriously i'm not ignoring any parts of the game.
I've been training natural for around three months now and i make good gains naturally so maybe my genetics don't need so much pct.
i've read the whole book except some drug profiles.
I have my reasons for doing eq.
I was just posting this to hear if the cycle and pct looked ok.

Dude...every steriod user need PCT....whenever u use steriod you r stopping production of natural test and once it is stopped for a while ..u need PCT to start producing natural test fastly.

Iam explaining u in a easy way.

Rest is up to u ...

[tsjca213]

Just saying i make good gains even after many cycles without pct. I never said i wasn't going to do it, if you look at my first post here i wrote what i had in mind.

All i wanted to know was if my cycle and pct looked ok, i got 8 replys with people saying everything else, so im still stuck with the same questions.

[D7M]

Just saying i make good gains even after many cycles without pct. I never said i wasn't going to do it, if you look at my first post here i wrote what i had in mind.

All i wanted to know was if my cycle and pct looked ok, i got 8 replys with people saying everything else, so im still stuck with the same questions.

no one's saying you didn't make gains in your previous cycles.

but at your age, and without pct, you could be doing serious damage to your body that only blood work will be able to tell.

you really need to listen to what everyone is telling you here.

stop cycling. get bloodwork, keep researching. Even that pct you suggested above it weak.

[tsjca213]

no one's saying you didn't make gains in your previous cycles.

Did i say that anyone said that?

stop cycling. get bloodwork, keep researching. Even that pct you suggested above it weak.

I'm not on a cycle, i have bloodwork figured out . I have allready said this if you read my posts. If my pct is weak, please give me some pointers

I'm not looking to argue with anyone, sorry if i say things a little straight.

It's just that i don't think people are reading what i say before they make comments about something. If i give out too little information, people complain and say tell us this and that, if i say too much people will tell me that this and that is wrong, when there's allways a reason why i do things, i can't explain everything, it's hard thinking in english too, so i may say things the wrong way. i'm saying i have bloodwork and everything figured out, i did not ask for help about that. I'm not getting anywhere with this now, i'm gonna try another forum.

[alpmaster]

These people would rather you be healthy and knowledgeable before cycling, so they will not give any advice.

We help experienced knowledgeable users, not amateurs who have "pct-proof genetics". Try another forum. Bye.

[D7M]

Just saying i make good gains even after many cycles without pct.

Did i say that anyone said that?


I'm not on a cycle, i have bloodwork figured out . I have allready said this if you read my posts. If my pct is weak, please give me some pointers

I'm not looking to argue with anyone, sorry if i say things a little straight.

It's just that i don't think people are reading what i say before they make comments about something. If i give out too little information, people complain and say tell us this and that, if i say too much people will tell me that this and that is wrong, when there's allways a reason why i do things, i can't explain everything, it's hard thinking in english too, so i may say things the wrong way. i'm saying i have bloodwork and everything figured out, i did not ask for help about that. I'm not getting anywhere with this now, i'm gonna try another forum.

Good call on the bloodwork. My bad for not noticing that post.

Look, no one's trying to give you a hard time. Maybe the advice you're getting isn't what you want to hear, but that's because some of the people on here started at your age, and understand the negative effects it can have on the body.

Here's an excellent thread on pct:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

good luck, bro.

[c-Z]

These people would rather you be healthy and knowledgeable before cycling, so they will not give any advice.

We help experienced knowledgeable users, not amateurs who have "pct-proof genetics". Try another forum. Bye.

Lets try and respect our members who come here.... There is no reason he should have to go to another forum when we have the answers here. The guy needs to learn some more. He is 21 which isn't far off from cycling. If he spent a year or two on here doing some research. I'de say he is good to go.

So why tell our members to go to another forum when they need information?

[thai-lan]

These people would rather you be healthy and knowledgeable before cycling, so they will not give any advice.

We help experienced knowledgeable users, not amateurs who have "pct-proof genetics". Try another forum. Bye.

who are you to tell another member to try another forum???

[ghettoboyd]

who are you to tell another member to try another forum???

ive got to agree....so far none of your posts have been helpfull or kind in any way......peeps are here to learn and if you know it all then offer some help but if youve got noting good to say, say nothing.

[lovex]

lol....I dont think he meant like that(as he wrote)...it clearly shows he is fedup when a younster 21 doing 5 cycles without PCT and saying his genes is good(so he doesnt need PCT).
so leave it here and Advice the youngster which is IMP

[c-Z]

We can't give our advice for all we know the guy didn't appreciate his response and went to another forum because he does not feel he is welcome here.

[alpmaster]

I'm not getting anywhere with this now, i'm gonna try another forum.

[thai-lan]

reported

[PT]

If you guys don't have anything constructive to say then please just move on to the next thread. Thanx

[c-Z]

If you guys don't have anything constructive to say then please just move on to the next thread. Thanx

Yes sir.

[c-Z]

I posted another one of my stupid cycles here a week ago and got responses that i needed to do more research, it was frustrating, but now i've tried to do some research, i bought the book "Anabolic steroids: ultimate research guide vol 1" by anthony roberts, now i just came across the sticky post "Anthony roberts is fired", does this means his book is not worth listening to? If so then 'im loaded up with a decent amount of wrong information, anyway, this is what i came up with after reading the book and some here at the forums. Some stats first, i'm 21, 200 pounds, i've done maybe 5 cycles in the past, none of them really counts, since i had no idea what a cycle was, my favorite was 1ml tren eod only, without pct offcourse, you learn later. My diet and training is where i want it to be. I am sensitive to gyno.

Week 1-13 Enanthat 500mg
Week 1-12 Eq 400mg
Week 1-4 Dianabol 20mg

Letrozole .5mg ed (should i start with this same day as i start my cycle and continue all the way until i start my pct?)

Week 15-19 Nolvadex 20mg
Week 15-19 Exemestane 20mg
Week 15-18 HCG 500iu

I'm very unsure of if i should do letrozole or arimidex, after what i have read letrozole is prefered in shorter periods but have a greater effect on preventing/reversing gyno? Any sugestions?

OK i'll be the first to tell you what to do... Since I feel it is unnecessary for you to go else where.... You obviously have your mind set... So for those of you who just want to give him shit cause he is 21... We tried talking him out of it... And it is his choice......

But bro. You have to do it properly... Run a pct. Heres what I would do... Personally all your other cycles mean nothing to me. They were not ran correctly at all. OK.... So this is what I would recommend.

Test E 500mgs ew.
Dbol as a kick start. 40mgs max should be good enough for four weeks....

Run some liver support/milk thistle.............
And threw the cycle I would run adex over letro. letro tends to wipe out estrogen. I have use adex in past and see no reason to run something so strong if adex is doing the trick.

As for PCT. Nolvadex and Clomid.
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Start with a basic and see how that works for you.... RUN A PCT THOUGH.

[tsjca213]

I really apprieciate you taking the time c-Z.

I get easily bloated, and i thought eq kept me from being bloated from the test and dbol as well? Is there any "supplements" that i can use to prevent bloat if i'm only doing test e and dbol? Or should i do the eq as well?

I will use adex as you say, do i start using it from day 1? And for how long?

And the pct, i start that two weeks after last test injection?

How do i read your pct? 40/20/20/20, ah, it's mg's in week 1/2/3/4?

[beachboygemini]

No, its 40mg ed-week1, 20mg ed-week2 - 4. And I think, but not possitive that adex will reduce at least some of the bloating or water retention. Peace