Eager to start first cycle!

**rawlings22** · 09-07-2009, 11:11 PM

Hey guys, this as you can see is my first post. I've been a longtime lurker on this site learning as much as I can. Wanting to start my first cycle in approx. 4 months around the first of the year. A little background, I'm 24 will be 25 in Dec. Started working out seriously when I was 18. I was a div 1 college baseball player. 2 years ago I was in the best shape of my life 6'2 210 10% bf. 18 inch arms. Well after baseball I finished up my nursing degree, and working out and diet kinda of took a backseat to 12 hour midnight shifts at the hospital. I felt horrible all the time. Well needless to say I'm not working nights anymore and the last few months my workouts have been spot on. The main reason I'm waiting a few months to cycle is I need to drop some bf. Right now I'm at 233, 6'2 guessing 18-19% bf. I'm wanting to get down to 210 or around 12% bf before I cycle whether it takes 4 months or 4 years. I'M NOT GETTING GYNO LOL. anyways sorry for the long post but here is my cycle plans.....

Test C 500mg for 12 weeks, 250mg twice a week
PCT: Nolva and Clomid

couple of questions. I'm definitely getting an AI was thinking liquidex, would you recommend that I take it throughout the cycle?, I'm really paranoid about gyno! Also I want to run the lowest possible effective dose of test c, so I'm kinda on the fence about doing 500mg q week or 400mg q week. Any suggestions feel free

**oneshot** · 09-07-2009, 11:15 PM

no need to go any lower than 500 mg ew. with a dose like that, gyno shouldnt be much of a concern. i wouldnt even bother with the ldex either. maybe keep it on hand, if your that paranoid, but you most likely wont need it. good luck

**marcus300** · 09-08-2009, 09:43 AM

500mgs is a good starting and effective dose, you can have an AI to hand just incase syptoms come on or you could take a small amount throughout the cycle, up to you!

**C-MaN** · 09-08-2009, 09:50 AM

My experience with test E is its better to take an AI all the way through. Id go with arimidex at .25mg every other day. Test Prop i dont need an AI.

**blake.varhaug** · 09-08-2009, 10:10 AM

500 mgs EW isnt really that high of a dose to worry about gyno, espcially if you have low body fat If your waiting to cycle until you got you bf down than you shouldnt worry too much about it. I know a few people who recommend .5mg eod though

**Mooseman33** · 09-08-2009, 10:31 AM

[QUOTE=blake.varhaug;4852680[B]]500 mgs EW isnt really that high of a dose to worry about gyno[/B], espcially if you have low body fat If your waiting to cycle until you got you bf down than you shouldnt worry too much about it. I know a few people who recommend .5mg eod though[/QUOTE

500 mg weekly causes gyno in alot of people. is there any studies u have showing that 500 mg weekly should not cause gyno? cause i think u are way off there..

**rawlings22** · 09-08-2009, 07:57 PM

Thanks for the input guys. Been reading the educational threads and looking at the cycles for newbies. probably going to do this one....

Cycle 2:
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Expect will change it to 500mg q week and run it for 12 weeks

**XD40** · 09-08-2009, 08:03 PM

I would personally cut out the nolvadex bro. just because i have heard that it will hinder some of your gains.

**C-MaN** · 09-08-2009, 08:09 PM

go with this. Its an easy beginner cycle. There's a thread in here by phate that is spot on. Test beginner cycle info

1-12 test e 500mg/week

Take arimidex starting out at .25mg Every other day.. bump up the dosage if you feel sides coming on.

Have ALL of your PCT already on hand. Nolvadex and Clomid.

Run your Pct as follows, 14 days after last injection always works well for me:

Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid:100/50/50/50

Same with PCT.

And read ALL of the link i just posted bro.. also read the links posted inside of the link as well.

Good luck bud!

**oneshot** · 09-08-2009, 09:23 PM

drop the nolva during the cycle for sure and only take the adex if you start getting gyno IMO. you also might wanna consider frontloading the test

**rawlings22** · 09-09-2009, 12:29 PM

Ok I might drop the nolva until PCT and just take the liquidex throughout the cycle like .25 qd or eod. I actually thought about frontloading with test p like weeks 1-4 until the test c kicks in. Anyone had good success doing that? I don't want to overdo it my first cycle tho. Don't really know if the test p would make a beneficial difference or not.

**sigman roid** · 09-09-2009, 12:38 PM

You'll get quicker results front loading with test p but you'll have to run the c at the same time so your gonna be shooting alot for the first 4 weeks i would just forget frontloading and just run the test c

**oneshot** · 09-09-2009, 02:27 PM

you dont necessarily need the prop to frontload. just take 2x the normal dose of cyp the first week to get your levels up quickly, then go back to your regular dose for the rest of cycle

**rawlings22** · 09-09-2009, 10:08 PM

I've been reading alot on frontloading, it all sounds good to me but I think since this is going to be my first cycle I'll keep it simple and just run 500mg q week. 250mg 3.5 days apart along with the liquidex .25mg eod. I don't know how my body is going to respond to all this so I wanna keep it as simple as possible. Thanks for all the suggestions and input, I'm learning more and more each day on this site. Can't wait to start!

**rawlings22** · 09-09-2009, 10:22 PM

One quick question....Since I plan on running an AI throughout the cycle would I need to continue to run it until PCT is over? Or would it matter if I stopped it whenever I started PCT? I've read some info on this but really haven't been able to find a clear answer yet

**fastwardo** · 09-10-2009, 02:06 PM

Good question Rawlings. I've been wondering that myself

**sully15** · 09-10-2009, 02:17 PM

bump.. i want to know the answer to his last question too

**rawlings22** · 09-11-2009, 12:17 PM

If anyone can help me out about my last question, would greatly appreciate it. thanks guys

**marcus300** · 09-11-2009, 12:27 PM

Your nolva and clomid in PCT will be fine and have something at hand during cycle just incase.

**dec11** · 09-11-2009, 01:07 PM

[QUOTE=Mooseman33;4852734]

Originally Posted by blake.varhaug;4852680[B

]500 mgs EW isnt really that high of a dose to worry about gyno[/B], espcially if you have low body fat If your waiting to cycle until you got you bf down than you shouldnt worry too much about it. I know a few people who recommend .5mg eod though[/QUOTE

500 mg weekly causes gyno in alot of people. is there any studies u have showing that 500 mg weekly should not cause gyno? cause i think u are way off there..

agrree here, id gyno showing up on 500mg