Need advice on cycle

[icuKals]

Hey, I need some input on my next cycle im planning to do in 6 weeks.

Some info about me, Ive been lifting for 3 years, 23 years old. Ive done 3 cycles already (First two where 8week dbol at 30mg/day) last cycle I did was 8 weeks of sustanon 250, shot 1ml every 5 days. (350mg/week) made some good gains there so Ive decided to do another one.
Im 182cm, 84kg and 11-12% bf.

This is what I had planned,
1-8 sustanon 250 450mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day

After this 8 week cycle I want to try cut down fat to around 8%, Ive done some reading that suggest winstrol will be a bad idea combined with a heavy bulking cycle so my worries are that I will ruin my gains starting heavy cutting right after the cycle? What are your thoughts on that ? I have 5weeks worth of injectable winstrol right now so Im tempted to use it after my bulk. Or if this is not a good idea I will just get rid of it.

As for PCT I am looking around right now what I can get my hands on, looking for some clomid and nolva but its alot harder to find here than in the states. But of course will not go ahead with cycle without having a proper PCT..

I'm planning my diet right now to the detail, but I would love some feedback on how much calories you are adding on top of your maintenance when you are on a heavy bulking cycle, I dont want to gain to much fat in the process so what would you recommend doing in cal above maintenance and protein/carb/fat split in macros ?

Thanks in advance for your input.
icuKals

[sizerp]

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[TITANIUM]

Hey, I need some input on my next cycle im planning to do in 6 weeks.

Some info about me, Ive been lifting for 3 years, 23 years old. Ive done 3 cycles already (First two where 8week dbol at 30mg/day) last cycle I did was 8 weeks of sustanon 250, shot 1ml every 5 days. (350mg/week) made some good gains there so Ive decided to do another one.
Im 182cm, 84kg and 11-12% bf.

This is what I had planned,
1-8 sustanon 250 450mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day

After this 8 week cycle I want to try cut down fat to around 8%, Ive done some reading that suggest winstrol will be a bad idea combined with a heavy bulking cycle so my worries are that I will ruin my gains starting heavy cutting right after the cycle? What are your thoughts on that ? I have 5weeks worth of injectable winstrol right now so Im tempted to use it after my bulk. Or if this is not a good idea I will just get rid of it.

As for PCT I am looking around right now what I can get my hands on, looking for some clomid and nolva but its alot harder to find here than in the states. But of course will not go ahead with cycle without having a proper PCT..

I'm planning my diet right now to the detail, but I would love some feedback on how much calories you are adding on top of your maintenance when you are on a heavy bulking cycle, I dont want to gain to much fat in the process so what would you recommend doing in cal above maintenance and protein/carb/fat split in macros ?

Thanks in advance for your input.
icuKals

23 and 3 cycles all ready.

What does your baseline read as?(Natty test).

You can run the sust longer if you wanted to.

Make sure you have all your compounds before you start.

You could run the winny at the end, but would ADVISE against it.

It should be used in a separate cycle dedicated towards a cutting cycle.

Best

T

[icuKals]

sizerp Ive been looking into it but Im not sure this will float through customs here (europe), going to collect some info on that now, thanks!

TITANIUM, thanks for your comment. I went to my doctor 1 month ago and got my bloodwork done, all hormone levels are normal and liver function is in back to normal etc.
Sustanon longer than 8 weeks ? How much are we talking then? And shouldnt I expect alot more sides after that kind of run?
From what Ive read winnie was a rather bad idea combined here with cycle, thanks for commenting on that, Ill keep that for later or just get rid of it.

icuKals

[Aizen Sosuke]

Use the sustanon for 10-12 weeks. Split it into two injections at least, 1cc each every 3-4 days for a total 500mg/week. Make sure you get your pct before you start pinning. And head over to the diet section an get on a good clean diet before even starting. If you wanna use the winny save it for the next one, a more cutting type cycle; ie test prop and winny. And slow down 23 and three cycles, 2 of which were poorly planned.

[stpete]

^^^^^ Agreed.

[icuKals]

Aizen Sosuke thanks for your comment.
This will be my last one for the next few years, its time to take it slow. Also for the winnie Im getting rid of it as I will cut down naturaly at the end of the cycle.. I have now found what I need for the PCT, will be in the house in the next 3 days.
Also for diet, ive got that planned now, Im aiming for 1000kcal over maintenance, is that to low/high if Im trying to do a clean bulk ? I dont want to gain more fat on the cycle as Im already 12% now.. Test should help me cut alittle when doing my cardio.
How much cardio are you guys doing on a bulk, 3 times * 45min a week was my plan but is 6 times overdoing it ?

icuKals

[D7M]

Aizen Sosuke thanks for your comment.
This will be my last one for the next few years, its time to take it slow. Also for the winnie Im getting rid of it as I will cut down naturaly at the end of the cycle.. I have now found what I need for the PCT, will be in the house in the next 3 days.
Also for diet, ive got that planned now, Im aiming for 1000kcal over maintenance, is that to low/high if Im trying to do a clean bulk ? I dont want to gain more fat on the cycle as Im already 12% now.. Test should help me cut alittle when doing my cardio.
How much cardio are you guys doing on a bulk, 3 times * 45min a week was my plan but is 6 times overdoing it ?

icuKals

I'd definitely wait till well after pct to start cutting. Gain what you can on your cycle, run your pct, try to hold on to your gains.....then cut.

what's your pct look like?

1000cals over maintenance might be overkill. It would for me at least. I'd start with 300-500 over, and see how your body responds.

I like to keep cardio up even when "bulking". 30-40min 3x's a week sounds like a good starting point, though. Too many factors to say what exactly will be right for you.

[Aizen Sosuke]

What he said.

[icuKals]

D7M thanks for your replay.. Yes 1000cal is problably a overkill, going to lower it to 300-500, better to see how I respond and add more if I need to.

As for PCT I read Pheedno's PCT post here in the forum. When asking around here arimidex is not used here at all, I can get clomid and nolva but Ive been told that clomid will not do much for me in this cycle and I should only take nolva for a month.. Would be nice to get some comments on that if they are just full of sh**..

Aizen Sosuke how much more will it benifit me taking sustanon for 10-12 weeks instead of 8weeks, isnt that overdoing it for me age/training wise and sides would problably be hell ?
I was planning to shot 1ml every 4 days which will come out to 440mg/week or should I bump it to every 3.5days and do 500mg/week? Will it make such diffrence?

icuKals

[D7M]

D7M thanks for your replay.. Yes 1000cal is problably a overkill, going to lower it to 300-500, better to see how I respond and add more if I need to.

As for PCT I read Pheedno's PCT post here in the forum. When asking around here arimidex is not used here at all, I can get clomid and nolva but Ive been told that clomid will not do much for me in this cycle and I should only take nolva for a month.. Would be nice to get some comments on that if they are just full of sh**..

Aizen Sosuke how much more will it benifit me taking sustanon for 10-12 weeks instead of 8weeks, isnt that overdoing it for me age/training wise and sides would problably be hell ?
I was planning to shot 1ml every 4 days which will come out to 440mg/week or should I bump it to every 3.5days and do 500mg/week? Will it make such diffrence?

icuKals

It's possible to recover with only nolva for pct, but I'd still recommend throwing clomid in as well.

It'd be a better idea to run the sust 10-12 weeks to take advantage of the longer esters in the sust mix.

[Aizen Sosuke]

Every other day would be ideal, but you can get away with every 3.5 days. Definetly do clomid and nolvadex. HCG would be a plus IMO it makes for a fster recovery and try to get an AI. You'd see better gains if you go the distance 10-12 weeks.