First jabs

[meistergeneral]

i have had orlas before but never injectables. i am planning on running trenbolone acetate for 8 weeks with winstrol as my goals are to get more vascular and ripped rather than just bigger in size. i have 6 years training experience. the more i read when trying to organise my cycle the more confused i get. is it ok to run acetate and winstrol alone or should i replace the winstrol with dbol as many sites say you need to take testosterone with the acetate. i plan to have 1x75mg/ml injection twice as week for 1-4 weeks then 1x75 mg/ml injection three times a week for weeks 5-8. any advice is greatly appreciated.

[D7M]

stats?

age?
height?
weight?
bf?

yes, test should be the base of any good cycle.

and tren ace needs to shot ED or at least EOD, not twice a week!

back to the drawing board.

[meistergeneral]

25
6FT
13STONE
11%

what dose do you recommend eod then? and what testosterone should i have. didnt really wanna inject anymore if i didnt have to, that why i was going to take oral winstrol with it. other sites say tren acetate alone is ok. wont i just get massive with testosterone along side it?

[Noles12]

i recommend you run a test only cycle

[stpete]

I think you really need to do a lot more research man. I definetely say no to tren. If you must, do a test only cycle first.

[D7M]

tren without test is bad idea. besides the fact that you don't sound anywhere ready for tren.

a simple test only cycle will not make you "massive". yes, you will gain muscle if your diet is right. But you won't all of a sudden be ready for Mr. O.

anyway, you're 6' and 182lbs? Still a bit on the light side, but I suggest you read everything contained in this link and really understand what you're getting into before you start injecting:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[meistergeneral]

i have researched my ass of. have anabolics book ($90.00) and for intermediate cutting cycle it says

week 1 150mg/ml trenbolone acetate
week 2-4 150mg/ml trenbolone acetate and winstrol
week 5-8 225mg/ml trenbolone acetate and winstrol

i dont just want to gain sheer mass, i want definition and valsuclarity

[D7M]

^that cycle sucks.

you can cut or bulk on any compounds, it's the diet/cardio that will determine your results.

[meistergeneral]

why is acetate not recommened then?

so you guys saying i should just take trenbolone enathate?

[D7M]

No on the tren enth or tren ace or any blend of tren for that matter. If I were you,

I'd get the idea of tren out of your head.

If you're dead set on doing a cycle. stick to a simple test only cycle.

Read the link I posted for you above.

But honestly, I think you should hold off for a bit, and read and research till you are blue in the face.

Do you even have anything planned for pct?

[meistergeneral]

what test exactly do u recommend?

my ideal goal is to run an 8-10 week cycle, i wanted quality gains that will keep well and not just drop off. wanted to keep water retention down to a minimum, as well as not having the biggest bank account in the world. plus i might be limited to the juice i can actually get hold of from my contact.

what cycle and pct would you recommend for me then? p.s. was going to take nolvodex

[D7M]

I'd recommend a longer ester test like cyp or enth for your first rodeo.

READ THE LINK I GAVE YOU....it tells you everything in there, bro.

that pct is weak as well. you definitely should hang around and keep reading and researching.

[meistergeneral]

ive had a look on the link which is vey usefull and does sound good. seems as everyone has mentioned test here is what i plan to run

week 1-4 40mg/day dbol
week 1-12 test e (BUT WHAT DOSE U REC FOR FIRST TIME)
in the link it said 500mg/week taken 3.5 days apart.

i like the sound of only injecting twice a week but how much?

depending on you answer, what pct do u recommend?

[shread]

can you get hold of tren e? lot less injections if your worried about that. but if you dont like the sides, they will take longer to subside with tren e.