i got help before i'm just double checking !

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 02:40 PM

i'm starting my 1st cycle soon, for 12 weeks, 1-12 500mg/week testoviron , 1-8 primobolan 400mg/week, i was wondering some of u did a test cycle at first how was the results ?
for the PCT i'm going to take 200 i.u of HCG /week on cycle and after 18 days from last injection i'm going to take toremifene... do u guys suggest more PCT ?
stats
23
6'0
195 lbs
10.3% bf
working out for 1 year lost 36 % of fat but still have some extra skin on the abs.
would it work for me as for my 1st cycle ?
or u suggest i wait longer to start use of ASS ?
2 months earlier
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/im...fIRH01373.jpeg
b4 i start diet and gym
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com//i...tfBkYL973.jpeg

**redz** · 09-18-2009, 02:43 PM

Great transformation so far! Must be feeling great. I would stick to test only for your first cycle. Leave the primo out for now to see how you react to the Test. HCG does not constitute a complete pct, novla and clomid are needed.

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 02:44 PM

YESSS IT FEELS PERFECT but now i feel a bit more greedy to get a better shape 6 pack abs i knw what training hard is and i knw how to diet.. how might the test react on my body ? (bad way?) how about toremifine instead of clomid ? i'm still looking for the right dosage, and i'm doing a sperm test to see the count before is start the cycle just for the safe side and being more careful...

**redz** · 09-18-2009, 02:48 PM

Torem is supposed to be very good though I havent tried it myself.

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 02:56 PM

why wouldnt you recommend primo with prima ? or shall i wait 4 weeks of test than start primo ? would i achieve good results on test only ?

**redz** · 09-18-2009, 02:58 PM

Its best to try out one compound so if you have sides you will know what caused it. If you try too many things at once you won;t know the cause of a problem. Also your body will respond very well to test by itself.

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 03:03 PM

sorry i meant primo with test.. i understand that, as i did some research the sides of primo are low...
my coach gave me stanabolic deca testoviron and primo for the 1st cycle i was going to start it but i post the cycle around here in this forum and some great people helped me out and told me to do test, unless i want to take primo with it its still way better than the gears i was going to take.. i'm grateful ...

**Mooseman33** · 09-18-2009, 03:32 PM

hugo, in another post u stated that fake winny can cause cancer..
i really want u to explain this as it has me completly puzzled.please explain...

**grinchinit** · 09-18-2009, 03:57 PM

test only will give you great results man...like you will be shocked at the growth and vascularity. redz knows what hes talkin about his advice is pretty solid ^ there. do test only first then if you like it and want to do it again when the time is right throw in that primo you got. besides, its not like the primo is gonna walk away from you just save it

**TITANIUM** · 09-18-2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by H_U_G_O

i'm starting my 1st cycle soon, for 12 weeks, 1-12 500mg/week testoviron , 1-8 primobolan 400mg/week, i was wondering some of u did a test cycle at first how was the results ?
for the PCT i'm going to take 200 i.u of HCG /week on cycle and after 18 days from last injection i'm going to take toremifene... do u guys suggest more PCT ?
stats
23
6'0
195 lbs
10.3% bf
working out for 1 year lost 36 % of fat but still have some extra skin on the abs.
would it work for me as for my 1st cycle ?
or u suggest i wait longer to start use of ASS ?
2 months earlier
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/im...fIRH01373.jpeg
b4 i start diet and gym
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com//i...tfBkYL973.jpeg

Your doing an astounding job at loosing weight.

Great job thus far.

I would wait at least another year for your age to cycle.

No primobolan fist time around.

Actually, I would recommend it for 3rd to 4th cycle, at a minimum.

PCT should always have clomid in it.

I can break this down for you, but that would be not applicable at this time.

So, read, ask questions, and continue with your training for at least a year.

Then we can consider the running of gear and your goals.

Best

T

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 05:23 PM

maybe just in my country, this guy was Mr. Olympic in Middle east and Asia, they had a tv interview after a while his wife left him etc etc... wat happened with him is that he started buying winstrol at low prices and he started injecting them during his cycle, cancer cells grew under his biceps and grew over and over, he made 6 surgeries to get the cancer out and again it starts forming, the mixing of oils and deadly oils would be added to winstrol ... so just on the safe side always make sure that your great is good quality get a good source..dnt take it seriously but maybe in my country lots of black markets u cant trust a source thats why we prefer to order our gears from outside the country from a trusted source even if it costs more...

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 05:27 PM

As for others i really really appreciate the motivation, and i will do as i'm told by starting the test cycle by itself, first i wanted to add primo coz i read it will get lean muscles, wanted to see faster growth on my body thats all, but for testo i'm a bit concerned for the sperm count and if it may damage it, so i'm reading some posts around here.. hope any1 has any idea about it and if PCT totaly helps...
thanks again guys !!

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 06:10 PM

any ideas ?

**dec11** · 09-18-2009, 06:10 PM

right im puzzled here, he's got fukn clothes on in one picture, how cn we determine tht???!! or am i missing a link??

**dec11** · 09-18-2009, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by H_U_G_O

maybe just in my country, this guy was Mr. Olympic in Middle east and Asia, they had a tv interview after a while his wife left him etc etc... wat happened with him is that he started buying winstrol at low prices and he started injecting them during his cycle, cancer cells grew under his biceps and grew over and over, he made 6 surgeries to get the cancer out and again it starts forming, the mixing of oils and deadly oils would be added to winstrol ... so just on the safe side always make sure that your great is good quality get a good source..dnt take it seriously but maybe in my country lots of black markets u cant trust a source thats why we prefer to order our gears from outside the country from a trusted source even if it costs more...

maybe he just had cancer?

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by declan11

maybe he just had cancer?

if u only see how his both biceps are you wouldnt say he may just had it.. its the place where he injects is cancer cells are growing.. it was a total shit wat he was taking i barely believe it it has 20 % of winny ... anyway thats wat i heard and it wont make no harm if i posted it and let members know and be more careful when buying gears

**dec11** · 09-18-2009, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by H_U_G_O

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if u only see how his both biceps are you wouldnt say he may just had it.. its the place where he injects is cancer cells are growing.. it was a total shit wat he was taking i barely believe it it has 20 % of winny ... anyway thats wat i heard and it wont make no harm if i posted it and let members know and be more careful when buying gears

over what period of time?

**H_U_G_O** · 09-18-2009, 06:30 PM

they used to add the peripherin oil to the winny (thats maybe in lebanon) which than he started feeling infections in where he takes the shot, it took him about 6 months to know that he has them, and doctors told him for later if its not stopped infections could cause cancer ! anyway thats the youtube video but unfortunately its int Arabic, but i translated the main points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMDz-...eature=related

**Hard.On** · 09-18-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by H_U_G_O

they used to add the peripherin oil to the winny (thats maybe in lebanon) which than he started feeling infections in where he takes the shot, it took him about 6 months to know that he has them, and doctors told him for later if its not stopped infections could cause cancer ! anyway thats the youtube video but unfortunately its int Arabic, but i translated the main points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMDz-...eature=related

no one gives a **** about this arab guy who got cancer.
That tv show looks like crap anyways and is probly on the same level as Jerry Springer.

As for your original question.
If your going to do a cycle, just do straight test. you're not ready for anything else.
]You look and sound thick headed so I guess u will do the primo anyways.

Good Luck Chuck

**TITANIUM** · 09-18-2009, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by H_U_G_O

As for others i really really appreciate the motivation, and i will do as i'm told by starting the test cycle by itself, first i wanted to add primo coz i read it will get lean muscles, wanted to see faster growth on my body thats all, but for testo i'm a bit concerned for the sperm count and if it may damage it, so i'm reading some posts around here.. hope any1 has any idea about it and if PCT totaly helps...
thanks again guys !!

PCT totally helps.

Absolutely imperative.

Can't recover correctly with out it.

Probably will not ever recover correctly if not done properly.

And don't mind the sarcastic nature of some of the responses you get around here.

it gets like that sometimes.

No worries bro.

Best

T

**E Police 183** · 09-18-2009, 10:50 PM

What is two timers deal? "You look and sound thick headed" bro back the F off this guy, hes here for help..."You look thick headed" give me a break...

**H_U_G_O** · 09-19-2009, 05:40 AM

Twotimer thanks for the gentle words, you seem to be so respectful..
as for others i really appreciate ur help... peace out, ill put my pct lined to double check with the dosages that i will take ...

**dec11** · 09-19-2009, 05:56 AM

not tryn to flame, but i still dont get the b4 and afta pics, one clothed

**H_U_G_O** · 09-19-2009, 08:41 AM

well icant find a pic with no shirt when i was fat b4 i didnt have plans that i'm going to check b4 an after without a shirt, after is started gym and changing i regret i didnt take one, thats wat i have and its clear enough