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    Advice for unusual Equipoise cycle

    Hello all,

    sorry for the very long winded post but I have tried to be as detailed as possible:

    I have a condition called pectus excavatum which is a ribcage deformity where the central part of the ribcage is concave/caved in. I have the added misfortune that in my case the "dent" is quite asymmetric (right side markedly more depressed than the left side). It is too pronounced to be attenuated just by doing inner chest exercises.

    I have undergone the first of a series of PMMA injections with the aim of reducing the depth of the dent and some of the asymmetry. To summarise considerably, pmma injection is a procedure of soft tissue augmentation by the injection of minute "plastic" particles subcutaneously and/or intramuscularly.
    The volume augmentation comes from the size of the microspheres themselves, but also in a second stage by the body's production of collagen around each microsphere.

    SO I have been looking into a way to increase my body's production of collagen to optimise my results (and hopefully reduce the number of PMMA injections sessions, which are very expensive).

    I have come upon an article/post which mentions Equipoise, Primobolan, Anavar, and Deca-Durabolin as all being quite good at increasing the body's production of Collagen I, II, III. This post has been reposted on several BB forum so I imagine most of you are familiar with it. (google "How to Increase Collagen Synthesis"). So I tried to concoct a cycle tailored to that goal. Please see below.

    I know that the cycle I have made is too "weak" compared to the standard Equipoise bodybuilding cycles (Eq + Test at 400-600mg), but doing a cycle with Test above 200mg/w would be counter-productive for my goal by inhibiting collagen synthesis.

    Brief outline of my "stats":
    I'm 37, 1.76m (5'10'') 65kg (143lb), approx. 9% b.f, so you can extrapolate from these figures that I have a very slight built and the metabolism of a squirrel. I regularly go to the gym (4x-wk) where I do a mix of cardio and free weights but I am not by any means a "hardcore" bodybuilder. But again, at this point I'm not doing this with the usual goal of packing on the muscles, I'm just trying to optimise the result of my pmma procedure by boosting the collagen production to look less like a relative of the Adams family by having a more normal-looking ribcage, like most of you have, and have the chance to take for granted :-S

    It takes on average 4-6 months for the microspheres to become fully "encapsulated" with new collagen/fibroblasts growth, so I would ideally want to do a long steady cycle, rather than a short "intense" one.

    Week........Test.En.....................Equipoise_ (b.undecylenate)
    1...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    2...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    3...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    4...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    5...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    6...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    7...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    8...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    9...............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    10..............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    11..............125mg/week...............200mg/week
    12..............125mg/week...............200mg/week

    Week..........Test.prop.
    13...............25mg EOD
    14...............25mg EOD
    15...............25mg EOD

    Week.........Nolvadex
    16...............20mg ED__(start 3 days after last dose of test)
    17...............20mg ED
    18...............20mg ED
    19...............10mg ED
    20.................5mg ED

    1- What do you think globally of this cycle in view of focus on increasing collagen synthesis

    2- At that level of dosage, do I still need to supplement with Arimidex? If so, at what mg/day?

    3- Could I even increase the Equipoise *without* increasing the Test without too much problem or is it already shutting me down a lot? (per ex going to a ratio of EQ 2:1 Test, or maybe even 3:1, vs current ratio of 1.6:1 in the cycle above)

    4- Might it be a good idea to add Anavar or Primobolan at some stage of the cycle?

    5- What dosage of Nolvadex should I take for PCT for this particular cycle? And for how long? I've put values for a "standard" pct after an EQ/test cycle, but is it "overkill" for my cycle?

    Thanks in advance for the suggestions and feedback

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    i donno about guys cycles.. but i think ur diet might help u out a lot.
    the way the guys on here get so big and their bones grow is not from steroids but from eating every 2-3 hrs and eating a lot to increase bone density. thats gonna help you out a lot .. 143 lbs is very low.. very very low.. im a girl and 5'5 and i weigh more than that!! and lots of guys here have a very fast metabolism .. eating right will be ur 1st step . good luck.

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    advise... the steroids wont help with that as much as a good doc with bone graph material...

    i have had my upper jaw fixed several times(it was smashed with a steal pipe) with the same material, or what seems similar... all you need is time and the doc to add the "bone graph material" over and over till it gets filled in.

    as for you cycle i would wait personally, i would wonder how the muscle attaches to the middle or the lower part of you chest, in that area, if you start adding muscle and it attaches in a spot that may accentuate you deformity... note: i had a friend who has an issue that seemed similar they broke his chest and rebuilt it... why is that not an opption for you?

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    Unfortunately bone graft is not an option for correcting pectus excavatum. This condition is an overgrowth of the sternum, which is cartilage.

    There are two types of procedures which can be done to correct the condition, one of which is hardly ever used for patients older than 25y.o.
    Unfortunately, the cost of surgical correction is $50k-$60k, which is way beyond what I can afford.

    I imagine that your friend was lucky enough to have his operation covered by his insurance company. This is very uncommon as most companies refuse to cover it in the vast majority of cases.

    But thanks for chipping in with the suggestions

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