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friend taking 1000 mg test a week. doing research on the internet brought up finasteride as a steroid masking agent? anyone know how well this masks?
also read that they only flag athletes with more than 6x the amount of normal level of testosterone. any ideas on what dosage would make you dip below that level (250 mg a week?)
just do what all the major athletes are doing now. shell out 2000$ for that prosthetic penis. you stick in your pants, and fill it with clean urine. then when you go for your piss test, and someone is standing there watching you. they cant tell the difference.
if they do blood tests, i got no ideas.
Just make sure you are clean long enough before the test to pass.
no it's a piss test. the more i think about it this is actually a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Someguy123
lol it's every weekQuote:
Originally Posted by lovbyts
ya, thats what all the MMA fighters are doing now. so i imagine its just as wide spread in the other pro sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooer
They pay 2k for a rubber dong? Sex shops sell em for about 50 dollars ha ha ha
but they dont sell urine powder do they? that would be a weird fetish for sure :wg:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gipps
i didnt write this but here is some good info:
What are masking agents?
Masking agents are drugs or compounds that are taken with the express purpose of hiding or "masking" the presence of specific illegal drugs that are screened for athletic drug testing (4). Masking agents have the potential to impair or conceal the banned substance in the urine (4). The most common masking agents include diuretics, epitestosterone, probenecid and plasma volume expanders (4, 8). Each of these categories is addressed.
How do masking agents it work?
Diuretics: Diuretics have been placed on the prohibited list for some time because of two reasons: 1) they facilitate weight loss via their ability to enhance rapid water loss via urine excretion and 2) they have the potential to rapidly dilute the urine by increasing renal flow. When utilized as a "masking" agent diuretics dilute the urine, which results in lower levels of the banned substance being excreted from the body. This can therefore make it more difficult for the laboratories conducting doping controls to detect (8).
Epitestosterone: When athletes take exogenous testosterone two basic methods can be employed to "mask" the use of these compounds: 1) Utilize transdermal delivery mechanisms or 2) use epitestosterone in conjunction with testosterone use.
One mechanism for "masking" testosterone use is to use transdermal preparations which have the potential to raise circulating testosterone and are only detectable by doping controls via blood profiles in the period of 4-8 hours after administration (2). If the athlete were to utilize transdermal solutions in a systematic method they may be able to administer a low dosage of testosterone that would be below the testing standards.
Probenecid: Probenecid has been shown to reduce the excretion of anabolic steroids into the urine (3), thus potentially reducing the level of androgens below the levels established. In animal studies it has been reported that the co-administration of probenecid and the anabolic steroid stanozolol results in an increased disappearance of the anabolic steroid from the plasma. Additionally, the co-administration of these drugs results in a decrease in the total amount of stanozolol excreted into the urine (7).
Alpha-Reductase Inhibitors: Alpha-reductase inhibitors are generally used for the treatment of prostate hypertrophy and androgenic alopecia (1). It appears that alph-reductase inhibitors have the potential to significantly impact steroid profiles which are used in drug testing. Specifically, they appear to complicate or even prevent the detection of some prohibited substances.
Plasma Volume Expanders: Plasma volume expanders (i.e. albumin, dextran or hydroxyethyl startch) can be used by athletes for several reasons: 1) to prevent dehydration (6) or 2) in order to mask recombinant erythropoietin use (5). When plasma volume expanders are taken with recombinant erythropoietin they can elevate the blood volume while maintaining a blood profile level that is within the legal range (6).
How are masking agents commonly used?
Diuretics: The dosage of diuretic administered varies depending upon the actual drug that is administered. When looking at the diuretic furmosimide the clinical dosage for adults is to give 20-80 mg as a single dosage. However, if needed the same dosage can be give 6-8 hours later. With this dosage scheme a very rapid secretion of urine occurs (1).
Epitestosterone: No pharmaceutical dosages for epitestosterone are available because epitestosterone is only available as a chemical (2).
Alpha-Reductase Inhibitors: The recommended medical dosage for the common alpha-reductase inhibitor, Dutasteride is 0.5 mg taken once daily. However, studies have shown that between 5-40 mg of Dutasteride can be taken per day with minimal adverse side effects. The recommended clinical dosage of Finasteride, another common alpha-reductase inhibitor, is 1 mg per day. Dosages of 80-400 mg per day have been shown to produce minimal adverse reactions (1).
Plasma Expanders: Generally plasma expanders such as albumin are administered with other compounds such as blood, plasma, or saline. Generally, the total dose and rate of infusion relies on the individual's condition and response to treatment. When plasma expanders are administered to adults for medical reasons the general amount used is between 250-500 ml, but dosages should be individualized (1).
What are the potential side effects of masking agents?
Diuretics: The utilization of diuretics may result in the occurrence of heart arrhythmias, dehydration, muscle cramping, blood volume depletion, significant drops in blood pressure and severe electrolyte imbalances. These arrhythmias can occur as a result of a deficiency of potassium in the blood and dehydration (4).
Probenecid: Probenecid use generally results in very few minor side effects. These side effects can include the formation of kidney stones, acute gouty arthritis, hair loss, skin rash, headache, nausea, sore gums, fever and in very rare cases severe anemias (1).
Alpha-Reductase Inhibitors: The most significant side effects associated with the use of some of these masking agents are associated with reproductive dysfunction (1). Reproductive side effects include a decreased libido, increased occurrence of erectile dysfunction, and an increase occurrence in ejaculation disorders (1).
Plasma Expanders: The use of plasma expanders such as albumin can very rarely result in adverse effects. These effects are usually marked by nausea, fever, chills or hives.
Where do I get more information on masking agents?
Web Sites of Interest:
* The 2007 World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List for 2007 can be accessed at http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/d...07_List_En.pdf
* The World Anti-Doping Agency Web (WADA) Site can be accessed at http://www.wada-ama.org/en/
* The United State Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) Site can be accessed at: http://www.usantidoping.org/
References:
1. Physicians' Desk Reference. Montvale, NJ: Thomson, 2004.
2. Catlin DH, Hatton CK, and Starcevic SH. Issues in detecting abuse of xenobiotic anabolic steroids and testosterone by analysis of athletes' urine. Clin Chem 43: 1280-1288, 1997.
3. Duntas LH and Parisis C. Doping: a challenge to the endocrinologist. A reappraisal in view of the Olympic Games of 2004. Hormones (Athens) 2: 35-42, 2003.
4. Furlanello F, Bentivegna S, Cappato R, and De Ambroggi L. Arrhythmogenic effects of illicit drugs in athletes. Ital Heart J 4: 829-837, 2003.
5. Guddat S, Thevis M, and Schanzer W. Identification and quantification of the plasma volume expander dextran in human urine by liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry of enzymatically derived isomaltose. Biomed Chromatogr 19: 743-750, 2005.
6. Gutierrez Gallego R and Segura J. Rapid screening of plasma volume expanders in urine using matrix-assisted laser desorption/ionisation time-of-flight mass spectrometry. Rapid Commun Mass Spectrom 18: 1324-1330, 2004.
7. Ryu JC, Kwon OS, Song YS, Yang JS, and Park J. The effects of probenecid on the excretion kinetics of stanozolol, an anabolic steroid, in rats. J Appl Toxicol 12: 385-391, 1992.
8. Trout GJ and Kazlauskas R. Sports drug testing--an analyst's perspective. Chem Soc Rev 33: 1-13, 2004.
see my post above, but in short yes finasteride can mask AAS. you will need to check if finasteride is tested for. but i would say its better to fail a test for finasteride than for a steroid regardless ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gooer
pretty embarrassing if you get caught with a fake penis thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Someguy123
Dont do any and your G2G
Drink alot of water, my friend use to do this on a weed drug test and he would pass everytime, he drank like 10 gallons in like 2 days, he pretty much pissed just water
lmao...just thought about how bad that would beQuote:
Originally Posted by Coop77
x2, a friend of mine in the military would do the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOM6
the whizzinator is a couple hundred bucks, and comes with the urine.
however the nfl will watch ur cock, they will know if its real.
if ur friend is in the nfl, he should hire someone to teach him how to past, a ton of athletes have a go to guy who makes alot of money getting athletes to pass the test..
and water aint going to help..
Unfortunately excess water will not dilute one's testosterone levels. :nutkick: lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOM6
Thats what i was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man
if your in pro sports and doing AAS these days you are ignorant to say the least.Sorry Bro!
Who every your friend is you better tell him to dodge the test if he can . And when he cycles next time he needs to be using very short esters so that it can clear the system quickly and he will only have to dodge a test for a few days. And risk a warning and a fine.
Also Im not 100% sure, but Id bet my house that ne NFL is testing for masking agents aswell. I think hell be better off getting cought using masking agents than cought using steroids.
Next time fork out the money on test suspension or prop so that it can clear the system quicker.
Good Luck
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Originally Posted by Mooseman33
yes, this is why you need the prosthetic, and not just some cheap thing with a plastic tube that you hang out of your pants.
actually, you would just be doing what most others are doing. in sports nowadays, its not about who is using, and who isnt. its about who gets caught, and who doesnt. wake up bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnykenney
I think you can try to use these methods. I'm pretty much sure that the methodology is the same, as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooer
https://youtu.be/mIUk08iYZKEQuote:
Originally Posted by Someguy123
Nice 10 year old post response.
10 years closer to when this group was known.Quote:
Originally Posted by JdFlex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvXRuGd1qg