Body Size...and Juice...???

[tcw]

Does your body size determine how much juice you need to see results?

EX.
There are two men. One is 6ft and weights 190 and the other is 5ft and weighs 140. They have cycled in the past and both have similar body types (ectomorphs). Each is starting a new cycle of 200 mgs per week of test for 16 weeks.

QUESTION
Would it take the same amount of juice for a 6 ft man vs. a 5 ft man to see the same amount of increases in Muscle size respectively?

I was told that the "larger you are....the more juice that is required to see results"...Is this true?

What do you think?

[BennyLom]

I'll give you a 'bump' here: would also like to know why suggested cycles/dosing does not take body weight into account.

[aldemoro]

i want to know this aswell

[ranging1]

yes it does, but cycle experience does also

e.g we take 2 people, same height
ones 140 pounds and probably 40% of his genetic potential
the other is 190 pounds, and 70-80% of his genetic potential

both go on steroids for a first time,

the first guy (140 pounds) will MOST likely if not definetaly gain MORE, this becuase at 40% his genetic potential his body naturally couldve gained ALOT more muscle mass easily, so by adding steroids its like supercharging his growth up

the second guy will also gain a fair bit, but unlikely as much, this is becuase if he was to gain say 20 pounds hes be 210pounds, and most likely at the edge of his genetic potential, the closer he becomes to his potential or PAST his potential, the more steroids itll take for him to grow

this is why as the more cycles u go through, the more compounds that are usually used, and the higher doses, usually the more cyles uve run, the bigger u should be, and therefore its going to take ALOT more gear to get u further

take a look at people like pro bodybuilders like ronnie coleman, a man his size would proably cruise on 1gram of test a week, this is his bridge phase, the reason why he must run atleast 1gram a week to maintain his size, is becuase hes SOOOO far beyond his genetic potential, if he was to come off juice he could NEVER naturally maintain that kind of size naturally

so bodyweight does come into play, since the bigger and leaner u r, the more itll take

as for height, height has some role, this is becuase usually the TALLER u r, the harder it is for u to become an absolute monster, just becuase if u were 6'6 and carrying the same muscle mass as someone like ronnie coleman, ud prob way close to 400pounds, just becuase ur muscle bellys are longer, also ALOT of taller people have weaker leg and back genetic potential, (this is a fact), why do u think so many weight lifters arent giants, same goes for bodybuilders

now lets look at ur example or 140 pounds, at 5ft, and 190 pounds at 6 ft

u ask why dont we take height into consideration when determining cycles? we do
the taller u r, the heavier u should be

we usually compare height to weight to determine what cycle is best, its the ratio that counts, NOT just the height

height alone is a poor indicator, just becuase theirs no evidence to show the TALLER u are, the MORE juice u need

this is not the way to determine dosages of juice, ur bodyweight compared to ur height is a way to determine juice needs

try to also remeber that theirs NO EVIDENCE that taller people have HIGHER natural levels of testerome

(now remeber that testerome is very anabolic, thats why we inject the stuff)

so if height isnt a variable in determining or effecting a persons natural test level, then we can conclude u CANNOT say a taller person has more test naturally then a shorter person

if this is true then we can approxate, that if we got 2 groups of tall and short people, both a tall person and short persons naturall test levels should be approxametaly equal

this is very important becuase this means that both the short person, and the tall person has equal amounts of testerome in their bodys, if this is true then this means that equal natural levels of test have the same effect on BOTH the taller and shorter person

now if equal doses of test have the same effect on a shorter to a taller person, then shouldnt injecting extra levels of test follow the same principle?

[ranging1]

what im trying to conclude is ur height ISNT a BIG factor when determining ur dosages,

its ur lean mass/ height ratio

this is why many people in this forum ask for stats before giving advice on cycles

so to conslude YES the bigger u are, the more juice ull need, but only in comparisent in terms of weight/ height ratio

height alone only really determines u GENETIC POTENTIAL, this is becuase like i said, the taller u r, the heavier u will be if u had equal muscle mass to a guy a foot shorter then u

the only time u should really worry about height is when ur a monster, this is just becuase if u 6'6 and equal muscle mass to ronnie, ud weigh close to 400 pounds!!!!!!!!!

now think about that, same muscle mass, 2 different heights
5'8 and 340 pounds
6'6 and 400 pounds

who do u think its going to be harder to maintain that size and grow? obviously the taller guy, this is WHY u dont c a tall gy with that kind of muscle mass, its just geneticaly ALMOST impossible, i say almost becuase every year bodybuilders continue to become bigger and scarier, im sure its only a matter of time before it actually happens

[anabolictonic]

Nice post ranging1 you hinted to what i was going to say. If taller people do not necessarily have more test than shorter people it makes sense that in comparison to their height tall people find it hard to look as big. While both of their bodies may allow them to gain 20lbs during a cycle, the 20lbs will look alot more on the 5'9'' guy than the 6'3 guy! so maybe if your taller you still only have 'x' amount of testosterone so can only sustain 'x' amount of lean body mass. this makes sense why shorter people seem to look like they bulk up quicker when natural, they have more test naturally in comparison to their height so it appears as tho they are bigger. i have a mate who is 6'6 and has put on 6kgs ive put on 3 and i look like ive put on more muscle than him just cause his muscle bellys are alot longer.

Height weight and body composition all come into effect.

Got to remember tho not everyone has the same amount of test naturally in your system anyway, a shorter guy might have more than a taller guy its all genetics.( as it always is in this game , i say that with a sad face cause my genetics suck !! )

[tcw]

Awesome....Thanks Guys.

So basically, if you are taller, chances are you will need more test than a friend who is shorter. Taller men equal longer muscles and therefore the belly of their muscles is not as dense as a shorter person (generally speaking).



QUESTION:
How do you figure your "Lean Mass-Height Ratio?"

[.EA.]

Awesome....Thanks Guys.

So basically, if you are taller, chances are you will need more test than a friend who is shorter. Taller men equal longer muscles and therefore the belly of their muscles is not as dense as a shorter person (generally speaking).



QUESTION:
How do you figure your "Lean Mass-Height Ratio?"

No, the amount of Testosterone you will need is determined by muscle mass. A person who is 6' and 230lbs with 12% body fat will need more Testosterone than a person who is 6' and 195lbs at 12% body fat. Not a whole lot more, but definitely a tad bit more.

I'm 6' 4" at just over 225, not counting water retention. Gaining 10 lbs for me does not show a whole lot. It shows, especially with my shirt off, but clothed it doesn't make that much difference. Generally though, taller guys look better with the same amount of muscle mass...or so I heard.

However if a person who is 5' 10" gains 10lbs, it will show quite a bit more.

[.EA.]

Nice post ranging1 you hinted to what i was going to say. If taller people do not necessarily have more test than shorter people it makes sense that in comparison to their height tall people find it hard to look as big. While both of their bodies may allow them to gain 20lbs during a cycle, the 20lbs will look alot more on the 5'9'' guy than the 6'3 guy! so maybe if your taller you still only have 'x' amount of testosterone so can only sustain 'x' amount of lean body mass. this makes sense why shorter people seem to look like they bulk up quicker when natural, they have more test naturally in comparison to their height so it appears as tho they are bigger. i have a mate who is 6'6 and has put on 6kgs ive put on 3 and i look like ive put on more muscle than him just cause his muscle bellys are alot longer.

Height weight and body composition all come into effect.

Got to remember tho not everyone has the same amount of test naturally in your system anyway, a shorter guy might have more than a taller guy its all genetics.( as it always is in this game , i say that with a sad face cause my genetics suck !! )

Sorry for the double post.

But that's not quite right. The amount of Testosterone you have is predisposed, just like everything else. Shorter guys bulk up faster obviously because they are generally smaller, therefore the same muscle mass shows a lot more clearly than that of someone say 4 inches taller.

That's why muscle mass and density wise a person 5' 10" and 185 and a person 6' 3" 215 will generally look the same.

[ranging1]

Awesome....Thanks Guys.

So basically, if you are taller, chances are you will need more test than a friend who is shorter. Taller men equal longer muscles and therefore the belly of their muscles is not as dense as a shorter person (generally speaking).



QUESTION:
How do you figure your "Lean Mass-Height Ratio?"

no were not saying the taller u are the more test u need

what were sayiong is the closer to ur genetic potential, or past it, the more steroids itll take

dont worry about lean body mass ratio, what im trying to hit at is

when we ask for stas we ask for height, weight, bf%

this is becuase if u were say 6ft, 10% bf and 230 pounds, we can determine u need a good amount of gear

if u were same height and weight but 20% bf we could approxamate that u need LESS gear, since ur not carrying that much muscle, instead its more fat

the main concept is the further beyond ur gentetic potential, the more gear it takes,

this is why the bigger and leaner u are, the more gear it takes, becuase ur firther beyond ur genetics

why height is factor is becuase a TALLER person has a weaker genetic ability to be VERY muscly, becuase of their overall size

why do u think u see sooo many short stumpy tanked guys, and sooo many tall lanky guys? its how ther human bodys genetics usually play out

if ur trying to figure out how much gear u need, its like comman sense, or experience

anallise the person, how tall are they? how much do they weigh? how strong are they? and much bf% do they have

if the guy 5'11 240 pounds, and 9% bf, think about exactly how big and lean this guy is, so we can estimate he would NEED over a gram of anabolics (presuming he has already run a first cycle)

if another guys same height and bf% but 180 pounds, then we can presume that half a gram or test is more then enough to see good solid growth

have i hit the hammer on the nail yet? lol

[tcw]

Gotcha Big Dawg....

Thanks for the input...