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[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6204860]ron - here is what i have next setup of what im going to bulk off of.
1-8 Test Prop 300mgs/wk
1-8 Tren Ace - 400mgs/wk
1-8 Prami - 1st week at .5mg then 1mg up to week 8 You need to go with carbergoline since you are still having some discharge with prami.
1-8 Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD
9-10 - Test Prop 200mgs/wk
11 - 20 - Test Prop 300mg/wk
11 - 20 - Tren Ace 500mgs/wk
PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
HCG - 2,500IUs last week EOD use hcg at 2500 iu eod for 3 week pct[/QUOTE]above
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10-11-2012, 01:27 PM #4564Junior Member
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thanks for the help ron, you always have the answers, you da man !
i forgot to mention ron after seeing this line you wrote.......move the vertebrae back in place due to muscle imbalances ! , well i did brake my collar bone before and the way the bone healed was it knitted back together by overlapping.when i went to a physio years later because of a shoulder injury he told me because of the collar bone injury theres an imbalance in my shoulder which also effects the alinement of my back, sayn that id more muscle mass on one side than the other, so this may have contributed to the scoliosis.Last edited by lynxeffect1; 10-11-2012 at 01:42 PM.
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10-11-2012, 01:43 PM #4565Junior Member
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thanks for the help ron, you always have the answers, you da man !
i forgot to mention ron after seeing this line you wrote.......move the vertebrae back in place due to muscle imbalances ! , well i did brake my collar bone before and the way the bone healed was it knitted back together by overlapping.when i went to a physio years later because of a shoulder injury he told me because of the collar bone injury theres an imbalance in my shoulder which also effects the alinement of my back, sayn that id more muscle mass on one side than the other, so this may have contributed to the scoliosis.
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10-11-2012, 06:01 PM #4566New Member
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Due to time Ron would a 16 week cycle be innefective if following the sme protocol? or should i discard an wait untill tim is on my side? which may be a year later
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10-11-2012, 06:29 PM #4567
I've mainly been following the Westside template for the bench. 2 bench workouts a week - 1 speed day and 1 max effort day. I was feeling a little overtrained the last few weeks and spaced the workouts about 4-5 days apart rather than the 2 a week. I wasn't running a huge blast just 800 mg test c a week. I wasn't doing any deadlifts and only 1 leg workout a week. 1 or 2 back workouts depending on my work schedule. I am 51 years old so you're probably right on the overtraining. Got any suggestions? I primarily specialize on the bench due to my work schedule and want to do a couple of meets next year. Thanks a bunch Ronnie. Why don't you post your whole training program during reloads and let me take a look. I can tell you that 2 heavy sets on speed day for bench press once a week is all you need at your age. On the endurance phase for your second chest workout of the week you would want to focus on a different chest exercise and do 3-4 sets. Once you hit failure it's time to stop that workout!
Ok Ronnie here goes. I know from what you said above I'm overtraining. My workouts do not have scheduled days for bench and back and legs due to my work schedule. I would try to get 3-4 days between bench workouts. Back was 1-2 times a week and legs usually 1 a week to every 10 days.
Bench Dynamic effort (Speed) day
Bench with bands or chains 8-10 sets of 2-3 reps at 50-70% of 1RM. Currently 400 raw and 500ish with my shirt. Percentage based off raw max. Total weight was 210 to 280 for 8-10sets X 2-3reps
Some kind of shoulder work 3-4 sets of 8-10 reps (Exercises were always different. Shoulder presses, Hammer machine presses, Hammer lateral machine, etc)
Triceps 2-3 sets of 6-8 reps 1 movement (Tricep rollbacks, JM presses, cable work, etc)
Forearm work, Rotator cuff work and abs
Heavy Max Effort day
Heavy Bench work up to a heavy single, double or triple (Floor presses with chains, Reverse band bench or Bench with slingshot or loose shirt or heavy rack lockouts. Always a different exercise. This workout was sometimes replaced by DB bench)
Incline BB or DB 3 sets of 5-10 reps
Shoulder work 3 sets of 8 reps
Rotator cuff work, Abs
Back and Biceps day
Rows of some kind up to a heavy set of 5 (Seated machine, DB, BB, Hammer row machine)
2-3 sets of 8-12reps lat pulldowns (Not real heavy)
4-6 sets of curls (different movement each time)
Abs
Leg Day
Leg presses up to a heavy set of 5 then drop 180 pounds and do 1 set of paused leg presses for 5-6 reps
Leg curls 3-4 sets of 8-10 (Seated or lying)
Calf raises 3-4 sets of 10-15
Abs
Depending on my schedule I could sometimes get all 4 days in in a week. Sometimes the heavy bench day was Monday one week and Wednesday the next week. So that way I did get a day or 2 extra between bench workouts. Overtraining?
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10-12-2012, 04:17 PM #4568Banned
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ronnie..do bent rows work the rear delts enough??? pro bb hernon says rear delt work.... big waste of time...
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10-12-2012, 04:19 PM #4569Banned
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ronnie...your opinion of crossfit??? a fad????
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Holy Mole!!! 24 sets on upper legs!!! That sounds like an Arnold-type workout!!! How would that look anyway? Currently I'm doing Smith machine squats, hack squats and leg press, three sets each, along with 6 sets of seated leg curls. Would you go to 4 sets each then add in something like 4 sets of Smith machine split squats with the step? That would be 22 sets!! I guess you'd want to be taking your day off after that one....
BTW, do you put the step under your front foot or the back foot?
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great post, great info. thanks for taking the time to share this valuable knowladge/info with us.......us newbies really appriciate it
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10-14-2012, 06:13 PM #4573
Hey Ronnie,
I've decided to start with the SST method! I will be preparing to do so now - only have one, maybe 2 parts im not sure about... I am just about to finish my 12 week cycle of test cyp @ 500mg weekly and backloaded with 3 weeks of prop @ 400mg weekly to shorten the wait time before PCT would begin. i started this cycle befreo i decided to do SST and so I planned to start pct of clomid 70/35/35/35 and nolva 40/20/20/20 three days after last pin of prop. i used HCG @ 250iu every 3.5 days on shot days and a-dex @.25mg eod for an AI so i will not be using any for pct. what i am wondering is if i should do the pct as planned and then wait the old "time on + pct = time off" before starting with SST reloading and deloading...i mean, i usually stick to my plans but it almost sounds like a waste of pct to me if i just want to jump on sst and be on atleast 20 or 30 weeks of reolading and deloading...that would mean i gotta wait 22 more weeks before i can start SST which sounds like sh!t to me lol
My plan this far for reloading cycle is going to be
Test cyp @ 375mg monday and thursday (750 mg total)
HCG 2 250iu monday and thursday (500iu total)
A-dex @.25 eod or ED as i think i will need the adjustment for this cycle
Deload
test cyp @ 250mg weekly (monday only or split up?)
AI? HCG? not to sure about if i need them for deload?
thanks in advanced for your time and knowledge! Cheers
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Swollen Feet!!
Hey Ron,
Have you ever seen any thing like this? I had a few drinks and my feet swelled up like my Grandmothers!! I'm on some pretty decent doses of AAS including Test, Tren , Masteron , Var, HGH and just recently Halo. Had some swelling issues before but nothing like this. It goes without saying it's a big no go on the booze till the cycles over (Oct 31st). Feel and look fine other than the feet. Not holding much water anywhere else. Have vascularity in abs and all. My first thought was kidney's, although I don't know how. Here's a pic of the poor old dogs...
Jeez, look at the ankle compared to the heel on the left foot. Won't be able to see a competent Doc till after the first of next month.
Why can't this happen to my Biceps? LOL!
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10-18-2012, 03:34 AM #4575Originally Posted by The Titan99
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Yea, I know! It looks like a serious estrogen issue. Luckily it's just the feet.
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10-19-2012, 07:15 AM #4577Originally Posted by The Titan99
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Hey Ron, I'm hearing some bad things about Ansomone. Baseline told me you might be able to shed some light on the thing for me. What I've had from them so far is G2G. If this is inappropriate for this thread could you PM me and fill me in. Like I said, I've been happy so far but I'm spending a lot (like we all are I expect) and can'tafford to take a big hit next time if you know what I mean. Thanks.
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Yea I know man. October I tend to peak evey year and the doses get a little hairy. Lol! I'm priming after the 31st so It'll go back to somewhat reasonable stacks again. I think I'm taking you and Ron's advice and aim to do a show in Bangkok this time next year if I can stay injury free. Thanks for your concern buddy. I'm watching the BP. Come on out to Thailand if you ever get a chance. They'd love you if you know what I mean...Lol!!
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Yea I know man. October I tend to peak evey year and the doses get a little hairy. Lol! I'm priming after the 31st so It'll go back to somewhat reasonable stacks again. I think I'm taking you and Ron's advice and aim to do a show in Bangkok this time next year if I can stay injury free. Thanks for your concern buddy. I'm watching the BP. Come on out to Thailand if you ever get a chance. They'd love you if you know what I mean...Lol!!
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10-20-2012, 07:17 PM #4581New Member
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cheers mate !
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10-21-2012, 09:06 AM #4582Originally Posted by The Titan99
The only thing that keeps me running low dosages is my hair. I'm the guy that would look horrible bald no matter how big I was. I've accepted the fact ill never be big, but trust me I wish I could go heavy at times!
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10-21-2012, 11:06 AM #4583Junior Member
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Slimshady i rarly post and especially not bot meaningless topics but i dare say yor attitude is a breath of fresh air, very wise. Id like to think iv adopted this way of thinkin ova the last 6 months. In yor avi if thts you yor body has outstanding symmertary an definition. Great bi/tri and delt genetics cnt make rest out. Its a head turner. Props t u. No homo btw
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10-21-2012, 11:09 AM #4584
Yeah that's me in the avi. I've come a long way from years ago. Ill never be that big meso build I work with what I got and try to do it relatively safe. Thanks for the kind words, when I get home from work ill post a pic from 4-5 years ago. I look like I weigh 130 lol.
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Hey Ron, have a quick question about using your training method up to and during contest prep.
my dilemma is when i finish my current 20 week sling shot reload/deload, i will have exactly a 8 week period of time before a 14 week show prep.
what would you suggest i do?, in your opinion.
a.) stay off those 8 weeks to take a break.
b.) bridge those 8 weeks with trt dosage
c.) run a third reload and reload then start contest prep
d.) run a 3rd reload/deload and a fourth reload with a possible 4th deload or transition from the 4th reload into the final 6 weeks of training and contest prep.
thanks for all your advice so far in my journey
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[QUOTE=The Titan99;6218620]Hey Ron,
Have you ever seen any thing like this? I had a few drinks and my feet swelled up like my Grandmothers!! I'm on some pretty decent doses of AAS including Test, Tren , Masteron , Var, HGH and just recently Halo. Had some swelling issues before but nothing like this. It goes without saying it's a big no go on the booze till the cycles over (Oct 31st). Feel and look fine other than the feet. Not holding much water anywhere else. Have vascularity in abs and all. My first thought was kidney's, although I don't know how. Here's a pic of the poor old dogs...
Jeez, look at the ankle compared to the heel on the left foot. Won't be able to see a competent Doc till after the first of next month.
Why can't this happen to my Biceps? LOL! WOW! I just seen this Titan. Well it's probably water related but there's always that small chance it could be heart or kidney related. So why don't you take out the test completely, stop drinking alcohol, drink more water and consume less salt for a week and see if it leaves. If it does not go away get checked out by a doctor. My feet/ankles did this after my first 2 shows and I felt very sluggish. Mine was from salt/water/carbs/estrogen rebound. You should not be drinking taking oral steroids or when using high dosages of injectables. Okay? /QUOTE]aboveLast edited by Ronnie Rowland; 10-23-2012 at 08:50 PM.
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[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6227670]OKAY. I got it for sure!! It's started to go away now. I thought maybe it was GH related (10 i.u.'s). That was the first time I ever had my ankles swell. Learned my lesson though, no drinking on orals/reload. Hell, I'm a knat's breath from quitting all together... Thatnks Ron.
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It has been quite high in the past when I near a gram of Masteron /Tren . Also gets bad when my weight starts fluctuating like it did when I went to my girlfriends Laotian pineapple farm. Went from 268 lbs down to 247 now back up to 260 lbs. Got as high as 160/105. Yesterday I took it and it seems to be stable at 145/74. I started taking 20 mg of cialas ed and it seems to have done wonders, and not just for my BP!! The next couple of months I'm concentrating on getting and keeping at 265. Got my girl training with me and this should help with maintaining the routine.
BTW, I have her doing the same training program as me. Should I change anything due to her being a woman? Rep or set or exercise wise? Having a little trouble keeping her on the macros/diet. Thai people won't tolerate bland food. Going to have to crank up my cooking skills a notch... Grilled chicken breast, brown rice, steamed broccoli, scrambled eggs and oatmeal isn't going to hold her attention for long...lol!Last edited by The Titan99; 10-23-2012 at 10:19 PM.
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10-25-2012, 05:45 PM #4597
Thanks Ron, You have helped me a ton over last year or 2 and im greatful.
My Health was good last Decembers blood tests, lets see this December how it looks lol. I can complain that im always lethargic and my sleep recently has sucked. Part of me being tired all the time I think has to do with overuse of Caffeine, pre workout.. EC etc. My adrenals are probably shot. Im sure being on test and other compounds a good portion of the year help that as well but i keep doses mostly low compared to others, give blood, cruise on 250 for 6-8 weeks after blasts etc.
anywhere he is a before pic of me a friend texted me the other day along with 2 newer ones. Its im thinking 5-7 years old and its funny because even back then i thought i was swole when i was a pencil neck skinny boy!!
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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