Originally Posted by
archangel.
ron, there's been a lot of threads on here lately concerning the fear of ending up on trt/hrt one day. Can you please shed some light on this topic. More specifically, if i slingshot cycle now (25 years old), and do your full pct i.e. Hcg, nolva etc, and take 8-10 weeks off between each 20 week blast, is it still inevitable that i will end up on trt/hrt way before i should i.e. 30's-40's amd even 50's??? its imposssible to say for sure as many guys end up on hrt past age 35 and they have never done steroids! Obviously, genetics play a large role. i have to be honest with you ron, i never want to have to resort to trt, especially before i'm 60. My dad is 73, and he still has that "fire" in him of someone who's 30. He still does all sorts of manual labour (works for himself) takes zero medication, whereas all his friends are walking around on canes or in nursing homes.
So, what is the absolute safest way to incorporate your slingshot aas cycling into my life to avoid the above mentioned concern, but also still benefit from cycling steroids??? Is it even possible??? i would do a 20 week slingshot cycle using steroids then do a 10 week slingshot phase clean plus pct if you want to go about it in the safest manner possible!
here' a quote from another thread about this topic:
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in my opinion alone, i believe that good pct will only delay the onset of needing trt. If you do gear in your 20's, by late 30's i believe you'll likely be on trt. That's just my opinion from personal experience.
With pct, it's likely you'll produce enough testicular testosterone to produce sperm and father kids, but over time, that level will naturally drop as you get older. You'll notice old age creeping up on you at a relatively young age, such as fatigue, lethargy, aches, depression, anxiety, and worst of all ed, and loss of libido. You will feel old at a young age. This is called hypogonadism.
The less amount of cycles a person does, the less amount of damage he is doing to his hpta. With each cycle, it's like you are speeding up the onset of old age in the long term, should you ever stop doing gear. That's where the problem is, when a person stops, and now no longer produces sufficient endogenous testosterone. That is when old age creeps up on you. As long as testosterone is taken, it act like an anti aging regimen, but it will affect the production of sperm.
I was always told when i began back in to early 90's, to always start on orals. Mild ones back then such as pronobol 5's, and then cycle onto anapolon 50's. With orals, 6 weeks on, and 3 weeks off, as they are too toxic. Then use the anapolon 50 as a stepping stone onto injectables. I never heard of anyone taking injectable, and definately not stacks of gear their first time round. It was always testosterone (testoviron) 250mg once per week. This helped to make the off cycle mild to cope with, and the losses less severe. Bulking up on test, then later adding a primobolan or a winstrol, and clenbuterol, but always having a test base. They were always 10 weeks on and a minimum 3 weeks off. This is to assist the androgen receptors to work again.
Pct was always hcg. We never used clomid back then. Tamoxifen was always on hand for gyno.
I did that for 3 years, 10 weeks on 3 weeks off....back in '93 to '96 when i was 21 to 24. I still fathered kids upto the age of 35...but did i feel old before my time...heck yeah.
I still retained my size even when not training...it was like it became mature muscle, and even after 15 years i am still 5'10" and 225lbs
now i'm on trt...and feel like an 18 year old again. Now, i feel like i have the energy to start training, so i did.
I think a large part of the problem that i see is too many young guys are starting out taking too much gear to begin with. I cringe when i see people advising these guys to start their first cycle with 500mg of test, and sometime even stacking with something else.
To me, even starting with 250mg first ever cycle is too much, and they should start on a mild oral. I can imagine the damage to the hpta a 500mg cycle and a stack of 400mg of something else will do to over and over again. These are the guys who end up on 1000mg of test, and other stuff, and eventually develop diabetic glaucoma.
What do you think of what this guy's saying? You are going to hear all kinds of theories, etc. I certainly do not agree with some of the things he wrote (for example, 250 mgs of test is too much for a first cycle. Sounds like a guy who knows little about steroids IMO!!!My good friend is an endocrinologist and even he has no absolute answers. I would go with the advice I gave you above ( 20 weeks on/ 10 weeks off) if you are that concerned!
thank you! Hope your feeling well now ron