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11-18-2011, 08:31 PM #3561
Hi, Ronnie, I would really appreciate your opinion on something. I am currently at the end of my first 8 reload, of my 30 week blast. I am considering incorporating tren at the beginning of my second reload, (after the 2 week deload). This is my third blast ever, the first 2 being 20 weeks each. I have only used test thus far in all my blasts including this one. I am currently running sust at 800mg/wk for this first of 3 reloads. My question is how to incorporate the tren?
Just during the 2nd reload, or for the 2nd and 3rd reload?
At what dosage should the tren be ran?
Should I keep the test dose the same since I'm incorporating the tren, or up the test? How much?
Tren E, or Tren A?
I have recovered best in the past by using HCG on cycle, as well as PCT (along with nolva in PCT), as opposed to using HCG just post cycle. Would this method help prevent some of the ED/libido issues reported by some users?
What supports would you recommend running with tren? AI's? Caber? Not sure how sensitive I am to prolactin related sides. Never suffered any hair loss on test, just a little acne, but from what I've studied tren causes other sided that are prolactin related, correct?
I've also been studying all over that B6 is an effective aid to run to prevent prolactin related sides from tren. In your opinion, is this true? If so, how effective is it, and at what dose? From what I've read, it's to be ran at 200-600mg/day. Also, is it true that it interferes with muscular hypertrophy?
I've followed your slingshot training for the last 2 years regarding AAS and training with nothing but great results, and I am excited to take things to the next level with test/tren.
Anxiously awaiting your input.Last edited by Cronos; 11-19-2011 at 11:34 PM.
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11-19-2011, 11:33 AM #3562New Member
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Ronnie what happens to your natural test levels say 3- 4 cycles in? how do you come off permanently? and what would happen to your gains 6 months after your clean? do you very what you take?
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[QUOTE=slimshady01;5810917]Oh one more thing ,
I've been running 250iu of hcg a week for months. Ive pretty much decided to stay on a trt dose year round as my quality of life is so much better then before. I've had low test long before gear.
I know hcg is good for fertility and I'm done having kids but I've seen trt protocols that keep you on 250iu 2x a week for good. Supposedly it keeps many other hormones in check.
What's your opinion on this? Should I continue or stop for a month or so then start etc? You should stop hcg if you are on hrt and don't want kids. The only thing hcg could help is increasing semen volume. maca and proviron are more practical to add with test/hrt if you have that issue.[/QUOTE]above
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11-20-2011, 11:13 AM #3573
I wondered about the hcg while on trt from a few posts like this.
"Actually you should always use some form of HCG. Some hrt docs now advocate low dose hcg such as 250-500 mg two to three times a week. Apparently other helpful hormones other than test may be produced."
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11-20-2011, 01:48 PM #3574
Thanks a TON for your input. Your opinion is always respected from me.
I was a little shocked to hear that you feel B6 does nothing to help with prolactin related sides. I have read SO MANY people claiming this works great. Was curious if you have any sort of study you could point me to regarding the ineffectiveness of the B6, not that I don't respect your opinion, I would just like to read the info.
As for the caber, I can get it, but it is pricey. Seeing as how I've never ran tren before, or any 19 nor for that matter, should I only take the caber as/if needed? Or should I run it throughout regardless? And at what dose for each option?
I will be honest with you, my biggest fear of running tren is some of the stories I've read on here and other boards about people NEVER recovering properly after tren (dick not working etc.) Can you tell me from your professional opinion, having known, I'm sure, a ton of people who use/used tren, how common this problem is? Are these people writing these horrible things just idiots who didn't run HCG or do a proper extensive PCT? I'd love to hear the truth from you on this.
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[QUOTE=Cronos;5812208]Thanks a TON for your input. Your opinion is always respected from me.
I was a little shocked to hear that you feel B6 does nothing to help with prolactin related sides. I have read SO MANY people claiming this works great. Was curious if you have any sort of study you could point me to regarding the ineffectiveness of the B6, not that I don't respect your opinion, I would just like to read the info. There are studies that suggest many things. B6 may work to a small degree but its no where strong enough to keep prolactin levels low enough if you have that issue so says my endocrinologist and a few of my clients, including self who have tried it. It's mostly a placebo effect IMO. They also claim zinc lowers prolactin levels and eating fewer calories. Its like this-eating more healthy fats and training legs has been suggested to increase testosterone levels but doing these things is not effective enough to replace HORMONE REPLA***ENT THERAPY WITH TESTOSTERONE and the same rule applies to B6 being able to replace cabergoline. You see my point? And there are several people claiming benadryl upregulaters ones receptors while on clenbuterol and its simply not true. Yu can't believe everything you read on the net but I am sure you are well aware of this fact. I hope this helps!
As for the caber, I can get it, but it is pricey. Seeing as how I've never ran tren before, or any 19 nor for that matter, should I only take the caber as/if needed? Or should I run it throughout regardless? And at what dose for each option?
I will be honest with you, my biggest fear of running tren is some of the stories I've read on here and other boards about people NEVER recovering properly after tren (dick not working etc.) Can you tell me from your professional opinion, having known, I'm sure, a ton of people who use/used tren, how common this problem is? Are these people writing these horrible things just idiots who didn't run HCG or do a proper extensive PCT? I'd love to hear the truth from you on this. It can take longer due to trens androgenicity but you will eventually recover, especially with the help of proviron and hcg! It varies amongst each individual but what occurs is they go from having very high androgens to no androgens then back to normal which is still not going to be as good as things were when fist starting out on high androgens. Also, the longer the body gets adjusted to higher androgens the longer it can take to get your sex drive back to normal regardless of which protocol of PCT is utilized. Proviron helps when coming off of tren due to its high androgenicity[/QUOTE]aboveLast edited by Ronnie Rowland; 11-22-2011 at 08:28 AM.
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11-20-2011, 07:09 PM #3577
Thanks for the input, Ronnie!
Could you just tell me if the caber should be run throughout, or only if needed? And at what dosage?
Also, I was informed that using an AI will also prevent prolactin sides from tren . Is this true???
Are you saying to run proviron in PCT when reloading with tren?
Oh Jesus, I'm studying my ass off and getting so many conflicting opinions. Can you please just lay out the proper supports to run during cycle and at what dosage, and a proper PCT. Thanks a millionLast edited by Cronos; 11-20-2011 at 10:05 PM.
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11-20-2011, 07:47 PM #3578
wow....I've been in the game for a will now and this is a very good and interesting read. thanks bro
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11-21-2011, 06:30 PM #3579
Here is the post i was looking for which was written by Dr Crisler who is a leading TRT Doctor. Its in regards to HCG while on PCT.
"While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do—even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values. However, supplementing the more “traditional” TRT of transdermal, or injected, testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit."
http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.docLast edited by slimshady01; 11-21-2011 at 06:35 PM.
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11-22-2011, 03:18 AM #3580New Member
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Hello, im training 4 years now. weight 80 kg height is 1.86 m , i have done a 2 cycles of deca + sustanon + dianabol and one cycle of equipose +sustanon+ dianabol all 8 weeks. one friend of mine stopt training and gave me some stuff for free = RWR winstrol 50 mg a ml 18 ml , sustanon 250 8 ml , and proviren 25 mg tabs60 tabs. i want to use this stuff but not sure how , can you help please
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11-22-2011, 08:23 AM #3582
Thanks Ron,
Im looking into using this Doc for TRT as he doesnt look down on people for using and currently using gear. That and he knows his stuff!
I just dont want to come off my self TRT dose to get bloods done... and feel like ass for that time as well as lose gains..
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11-22-2011, 04:34 PM #3583Junior Member
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ive been using my cpap with about 2months now with great success, but the past 2 weeks ive been getn headaches again, sum pains inda left hand side of my chest and all this week my chest feels like its full of air and goin up my chest and up my throat asd the days went by, my next check up isnt for a month , jus wondering have u ever came across this ron? cud the pressure need adjusting ? it was set at 6 bar but since then my weight is down 20 pounds from being forced to give up training for the time being
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i have a cpap also, been using it two months. my pressure is at 11. i love it. feel so much more rested and alive these days.
i have heard of the old issues coming back if the cpap needs to be re-adjusted. the best way is to tell your doc and go in for a new sleep study with the cpap.
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hey ron,
I was thinking for my next cycle staring January 1:
Week 1-12 test e 300mg/week
Week 1-12 tren a 600mg/week
Week 1-4 adrol 100mg/day
Week 1-12 Peptide Mod 1-29 100mcg 1xday
Week 1-12 Peptide GHRP 2 100mcg 3xday
I cant get GH atm so I am using peptides. I will be finishing my current cycle mid de***ber (test e 300mg/week & tren a 460mg week) and reload staring January 1.
I am planning on going low carb, high protein, fat and really push it for the 12 weeks.
I like the 12 week blasts as I feel I get alot out of the last 4 weeks.
What do you recommend peptide wise to try and mimic 8-10iu GH/week or is that even possible?
Thanks for your help. I really the blast/reloads the last year.
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11-25-2011, 02:18 PM #3589
Ronnie how was your thanksgiving and what did you eat!
I had two different family's to go to and went completely overboard. I woke up in the middle of the night feeling very sick had to call into work this morning and been throwing up ever since.
Abs are completely gone, probably filled with 5lbs of water. Since I can't stomach much of any food today will my body use the 6-8k calories as fuel from yesterday lol?
Hope you and your family had a great day! Just hope you didn't go as overboard as me. I had to call sick into work on a very busy day losing close to 600 so this massive cheat really hurt!
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11-28-2011, 09:07 PM #3590Member
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Any advise with blood work.
Do these online things work for the guys who have crappy inn..
Thankful for any ideas.
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11-30-2011, 10:33 AM #3591Junior Member
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hi ron, as regards my last post i dont have anything wrong with or sore in my throat i just meant the air that was caught in my chest , it felt like it was coming out of my chest and up my throat leaving me over about 5 days and then the air in my chest was gone but i went to the doc straight away like u said and told him about waking up one morning with pain in my chest from the feeling of it being full of air and it eventually goin, so between me telling him my symptoms and them checking my heart rate while resting which was 67 beats per minute, he said i was fine and it was jus air getn caught in my chest like i said , prob from me sleeing on my side of stomach that night and having my head tilted down not allowing air to come back up and thus trapping air in my chest which is all gud and make sense, he didnt check my pressure on cpap cause he said its fine cause its only at 6bar and ive an appointment for that to be checked next month anyway. he cmmented i was a lot fitter than him when he said id a heart rate of 67 which surprised me cause i havent done cardio on 2 years ! now i have lost 20 pounds plus recently tho so im sure that helped.now i know conditioned athletes that do loads of cardio wud have a resting heart beat under of under 60 beats per minute referred to as bradycardia, so since i was pretty close i looked it up and it said that under 60 beats per minute wud mean a young healthy individual or condition athlete but cud also mean it cud be a bad thing and cause cardiac arrest by not pumping enough blood to the heart, so how exactly do u judge for someone bodybuilding? i mean if this was a few months back and i was 20 pounds heavier cud i have been down and 60 beats per minute and the doc telling me thats great but really it wudnt be cause i havent done cardio in years and cudnt run around da block, or cud i have been higher than the current 67 beats per minute and now im fitter after losing the weight??? thanks again ron
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11-30-2011, 04:36 PM #3592New Member
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Help with dosages and how often
Ronnie, I will be taking Deca Durabolin , Sustanon 250, and Anadrol for the recommended 8 week cycle. How much and how often should I be injecting the two steroids and do you start out with a low dose, work your way up to a high middle, and work back down to a low dose before stopping? Any advice will help. Thanks.
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12-01-2011, 07:41 AM #3593Junior Member
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hi ronnie, do you think 4ius gh would make a significant difference for recover after tendon surgery? i ask because pharm gh is expensive for me and im not sure it would help alot. thanks
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Your resting heart rate is fine IMO but if you are still having Chest pain see a cardiologist. I think the cpap has irritated your lungs. Probably came about from sleeping in a poor position like you stated. Also having it cranked up to high or a faulty humidifier could also cause problems. Have you experienced any burning in the lungs? I have also known of a few people to get some chest pain taking d-bol, clen and ephedrine.
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[QUOTE=Misfit lifter;5820303]Ronnie, I will be taking Deca Durabolin , Sustanon 250, and Anadrol for the recommended 8 week cycle. How much and how often should I be injecting the two steroids and do you start out with a low dose, work your way up to a high middle, and work back down to a low dose before stopping? Any advice will help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]For first 8 week reload take 1ml of deca weekly (M), 3-1ml injections of sustanon (MWF-750mgs) 3 times weekly and 50 mgs of anadrol daily. First 2 week deload 1 ml of sustanon weekly. Second 8 week reload take 1mls of deca weekly, 3-2mls of sustanon (MWF-1500mgs) 3 times per week and 100 mgs of anadrol. Second 2 week deload (2 mls of sustanon weekly in one injection) . Then PCT
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4ius of pharm grade GH post surgery to heal tendons and prevent some muscle loss is a good plan. In terms of muscle growth 8ius daily is a good plan but you are not going to be working put and like you stated its pricey!. Take it at night before going to bed. Not a big fan of people taking GH in the morning before breakfast because some studies suggest it might promote insulin resistance if a meal is consumed within 1 hour after injecting.
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Hi Ronnie,
I'm a 46 year old guy. When I was in my early 20's I started lifting weights. I did not take it very serious, meaning I had a girlfriend who was into bodybuilding so I joined the gym because she wanted me to. I did make some gains over a two year period but nothing to really speak about. Once the relationship expired so did the gym membership. I've always been active sports wise playing in football and basketball leagues unti about 30 years old. I also boxed for about a year when I was in my late teens. At 30 I pretty much started to let myself go for 13 years. At 43 years old I tipped the scales 296 lbs (5' 10") I was a fat old guy. My brother who was 2 years older than me died that year of a massive heart attack he weighed 340 lbs the day he died (5' 8"). So I decided the day he died that was it, I started eating better and working out with weights and doing cardio. 18 months later I weighed in at 194 lbs. My goal was to lose a 100 lbs and I did. Now for the past 18 months I've really been hitting the weights hard, using supplements, and trying to eat to grow. At 46 I'm stronger than ever (weight wise and cardio). My problem is as soon as I start to eat carbs (doesn't matter what kind) I begin to gain fat. I've never had a lean physic even at 18 (175lbs) when I boxed I did not have great abs. In fact 6 months ago my abs looked as good as they've ever looked at 194 lbs just because I actually train them now. I began to take in more calories and cut the cardio down a bit 6 months ago, and I've done 2 cycles because I wanted to gain some size and strength. It's working I'm getting bigger (225lbs today) and much stronger, but gaining fat also. I'm trying to achieve that thick, lean, hard look. I'm going to start using your reload/deload system right away. Can you give me some diet and/or training tips for a 46 year old guy that doesn't build lean mass easy. Thanks, Mike.
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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