Sus n tren

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:05 AM

If i cycled sus250 and tren asate 75mg,
iv been told the sus is very strong at more then 250mg so im thinking to start it like this, tren eod and .5ml for the first 10ml then bump it up to 1ml eod and half a ml of sus two days a week tuesday and friday. what do you guys think of this?

**marcus300** · 10-01-2009, 05:10 AM

I think you need to do some research, you dont have much idea about gear.

what are your stats?
How long have you been training for?
Whats your cycle history?
Have you used tren before or even test before?

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:11 AM

iv done heaps of research but its all shown in high pro dosage of cycles

**marcus300** · 10-01-2009, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by allrise

iv done heaps of research but its all shown in high pro dosage of cycles

No you havent or you wouldnt of posted that thread, your to young to cycle.

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:19 AM

5 years training as of the end of the year
no proper cycle experience a few pink dynabols hear and there
never used tren
stats are
Age: 23
Height: 184
Weight: 80kg
BF: 12 guessing
Cycle Exp: a few dynabols and 2 weeks of test prop and deca 250
PCT Knowledge: never
Training Exp: 5 years

**marcus300** · 10-01-2009, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by allrise

5 years training as of the end of the year
no proper cycle experience a few pink dynabols hear and there
never used tren
stats are
Age: 23
Height: 184
Weight: 80kg
BF: 12 guessing
Cycle Exp: a few dynabols and 2 weeks of test prop and deca 250
PCT Knowledge: never
Training Exp: 5 years

Stop lying, you was 20 yrs old in this thread a few days ago now you have aged 3 yrs for gods sake!! you have alos increased in height!! phewww
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=402203
age 20
height 180cm
body fat 12%avarage
planned pct? nolvadex?

You to young to cycle, you could cause damage to yourself, did you even read what i posted? your onw system hasnt fully developed yet and if you shut it down it may never fully develop, thats means low testosterone for life!!

You have done no research, you want to do tren first cycle at the age of 20yrs old, your lying about your stats, this is stupid and reckless and i doubt anyone will help someone who cant even be truthful.

DONT DO STEROIDS,

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:27 AM

iv read that post before belive it or not and every time i read it i get turned off from it but then i a few days later i change my mind again. And it people like me who want to cycle and fuk up because they cant get the right information because we cant get it unless we get it from people who think they know but they dont.

**marcus300** · 10-01-2009, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by allrise

iv read that post before belive it or not and every time i read it i get turned off from it but then i a few days later i change my mind again. And it people like me who want to cycle and fuk up because they cant get the right information because we cant get it unless we get it from people who think they know but they dont.

you will fuk up if you cycle, dont you understand anything what ive written? its not gear you need its your diet, ive read your previous post and its all in your diet not gear, forget gear and stop lying about your stats, this is a joke!

Stop being stupid and go to the diet section and sort your diet out and dont even consider cycling until your 24-25yrs old.

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:34 AM

ok what do i do with my gear because i no its real and i dont want to give it up and i dont no if i will get gear in 5 years time

**Kibble** · 10-01-2009, 05:36 AM

That post by Marcus is a staple for stickies in all anabolic web forums. You will find that same description of aas and young users on ANY web forum you may visit. I waited until about 6 months after I turned 25 to start. It is not that hard to wait. You have 5 years to build an amazing foundation. Lift like a bull and eat like a damn bear. Once your body is comfortable at a heavy weight, and you are at your natural wall, then by all means, have at it. I am going to start taking test to get my testosterone to a level of a 20 year old. Basically, I need supplements to get what you have now. Thnk about it

**Kibble** · 10-01-2009, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by allrise

ok what do i do with my gear because i no its real and i dont want to give it up and i dont no if i will get gear in 5 years time

Gear has been around for decades. It isn't going anywhere

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:38 AM

fake gear is getting worse by the summers

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:41 AM

one thing as well thats the main reason why i wanted to gear now because its harder to grow at 25 plus i do train at various aged gym and iv seen people and how they ahve changed over the past few years.

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:42 AM

what i mean is the older guys havent changed since iv been there

**marcus300** · 10-01-2009, 05:44 AM

Your sounding like 12 yr old now, stop talking utter rubbish and go to the diet section, all the answers are there for you, gear isnt for you.

**lovbyts** · 10-01-2009, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Stop lying, you was 20 yrs old in this thread a few days ago now you have aged 3 yrs for gods sake!! you have alos increased in height!! phewww
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=402203
age 20
height 180cm
body fat 12%avarage
planned pct? nolvadex?

You to young to cycle, you could cause damage to yourself, did you even read what i posted? your onw system hasnt fully developed yet and if you shut it down it may never fully develop, thats means low testosterone for life!!

You have done no research, you want to do tren first cycle at the age of 20yrs old, your lying about your stats, this is stupid and reckless and i doubt anyone will help someone who cant even be truthful.

DONT DO STEROIDS,

Good catch Marcus. I like to do the same, research the newbie. What is with the Q&A board lately, it's getting SO messy...

Look guys, we are here to help and teach you properly. There are plenty of boards who dont give a damn about your health or how your future.

We have all been there and wanted to start early. We also all think WE are the exception to the rule. Please listen to the vets and be one of the smart ones. You can easily reach your goals if you listen and learn.

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:47 AM

and one more thing i havent changed looks or strength for the past 8 months. diet and training is not the issiue. thats why i wanted to gear. i eat 6 times i train harder then u can imagin not to mention i no how to train and eat. i sleep 8 hours i dont do drugs and i even stoped smoking i have a occasional drink but nothing extrem. so what now

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:49 AM

look at this stage im not gearing its solid in my head and nor are the 3 others who were doing the same as me so you changed my mind and iv changed theres ass we are all hear discussing this issiue

**dezza6969** · 10-01-2009, 05:52 AM

mate bottom line do your research. you know nothing about PCT or ancillarys on cycle to minimise damage to your endocrine system. Thats whats scary. listen to these dudes and read the stickys in the pertinent areas especially all the ones in the PCT section. as somebody said above, steriods will always be around. do them when you are truly prepared

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:52 AM

and that diet in the diet section what the hell mine is wayy better then that

**marcus300** · 10-01-2009, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by allrise

and one more thing i havent changed looks or strength for the past 8 months. diet and training is not the issiue. thats why i wanted to gear. i eat 6 times i train harder then u can imagin not to mention i no how to train and eat. i sleep 8 hours i dont do drugs and i even stoped smoking i have a occasional drink but nothing extrem. so what now

You havent changed because your diet will need work, at your age you have enough natural hormones floating around to make really decent gains, your answer isnt in a injection or pill, its within food and your diet. Change your diet and training program and you will grow, there isnt a chance you have reached your natural potential, go to the diet section and post your diet.

Stop lying about your stats and i am sure you will get help, food is the key to growth and if your not growing now you wont grow on gear.

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 05:59 AM

ok im not lying anymore u have to trust me as of now i only lyed because well u no why

**lovbyts** · 10-01-2009, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by allrise

and that diet in the diet section what the hell mine is wayy better then that

Your diet is better than what? lol

Your arent growing because you aren't eating enough and right. You also might be over training. Learn to changer your routine more. Visit the workout section also.

By saying you know this stuff shows how much you dont know dude, I have been working out since I was 15. Between 16-26 I worked out 5x a week 1 1/2 hrs a day. I over trained, My diet although I though was great sucked and my knolege was minimal even though I though I knew everything.

Im 46 and only now learning how to eat, workout and get real gains. I have gained more in the last 2 years than I ever did due to this site.

Stop showing your immaturity and grow up. Im 100% glad I choose NOT to cycle when I was in my 20s......

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:08 AM

this is my diet

meal one 6am 4 egg whites 2 toast 1 cup of oats with jam.

meal two 9:30am brest chicken in pitta bread with salad. 2 bananas

meal three 11am can of small tuna

meal four 1230. 2 cans of tuna cup of veg brown rice and apple

meal 5 330. can of tuna

gym 5pm

meal 6. steak or chicken with brown rice cup of veg

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:10 AM

if u can tell me whats wrong with that id like to no why and what do i change

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:11 AM

i change my work outs like u said i watch videos and always try something new always. other wise i get sick of it and i get immune to the exercise

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:12 AM

i powerlift off season and bodybuild on season in other words winter powerlift and spring onwards bodybuild

**lovbyts** · 10-01-2009, 06:15 AM

Dude, start reading. stop expecting everyone to spell it all out for you or give it to you on a silver platter like you are in 6th grade.

You are NOT changing up your workouts or have a good diet or you would be growing. Stop thinking you are the exception to the rule unless you go to a doctor and prove you have a hormone or thyroid issue.

If you truly think you cant grow more without steroids at your age go see the doctor and he will give them to you otherwise you are only lying to yourself and everyone else.

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:22 AM

can u please leave this forum lovbyts you have said enough thank you for your support ill read the hole site

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:32 AM

for last time im not taking it anymore fuk get it threw ya head

**allrise** · 10-01-2009, 06:33 AM

good night thanks for the chat and support

**lovbyts** · 10-01-2009, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by allrise

can u please leave this forum lovbyts you have said enough thank you for your support ill read the hole site

In other words NO. I have read here for several years. I have been a member for a couple now. If you dont like me you wont like a LOT of member here and you are free to leave anytime.

Ohh and speaking of the 6th grade..... it's spelled Whole, not hole. A hole is what you have between YOUR ears. You need to read the WHOLE forum...English/spelling = F

**slugtastic** · 10-02-2009, 12:21 AM

hahah busted allrise, man if thats you in your avatar pic then man your doing well with out gear...

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