What to stack with Cypionate?

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 06:25 PM

I'm considering doing my first cycle. I'm considering a 10 week program consisting of 250mg a week of T-Cypinate, followed by a PCT cycle. However, I'm concerned about water retention and fat gain using t-cyp. Is there anything I should be stacking with t-cyp to avoid water retention?

Ideally I want to gain additional muscle but not look bloated or fat after my cycle.

I'm 41, 5'11", 197lbs and somewhere between 15 - 18% bf. Any suggestions?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 06:27 PM

arimidex at .25mg/eod could help.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 06:39 PM

Would 20mg of tamoxifen be the same by any chance?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 06:40 PM

if you choose to use nolva while on cycle 10mg/day would be a good dosage, but I prefer the adex on cycle.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 06:55 PM

Big...thanks for the feedback. Very much appreciated.

I've been told on my first cycle I should only use T-cyp and a PCT.

I've gotten a program recommended from a clinic in FLA who's suggesting
T-cyp 250mg 2x week
200mg of deca 2x a week
and the tamoxifen

PCT is
1 kit HCG
60 tabs of Clomid

I'm concerned about all I've read concerning deca dick so is it wise to just cut that out? Any concerns with the program they are recommending me my first time out?

**Ashop** · 10-04-2009, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by mlannon

I'm considering doing my first cycle. I'm considering a 10 week program consisting of 250mg a week of T-Cypinate, followed by a PCT cycle. However, I'm concerned about water retention and fat gain using t-cyp. Is there anything I should be stacking with t-cyp to avoid water retention?

Ideally I want to gain additional muscle but not look bloated or fat after my cycle.

I'm 41, 5'11", 197lbs and somewhere between 15 - 18% bf. Any suggestions?

Use an AI like ARIMIDEX ,,LETROZOLE ,,or AROMASIN .

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 06:57 PM

Dumb question but what does AI stand for?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 06:58 PM

skip the deca on a first cycle, clinics like that just want to sell the gear. buy it and save it for the next cycle perhaps, now test only is enough.
I like both clomid and nolva (tamoxifen ) for pct.

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by mlannon

Dumb question but what does AI stand for?

aromatase inhibitor, arimidex is recommended on cycle, aromasin for pct if an ai is incorporated, and letro for gyno reversal.
as strength goes aromasin is the weakest of the three and letro the strongest, remember that stronger isn't always better, estrogen is needed to grow.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:00 PM

Big, thanks again for all the advice. So wait...the tamoxifen should be taken AFTER the 10 week cycle of t-cyp? They are saying to take it with the t-cyp and then the PCT is the clomid and HCT.

Are they selling me more PCT then I need also?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:03 PM

tamox (nolva) can be used on cycle, but an ai like arimidex is often preferred.
nolva is more often used post cycle along with clomid.
hard to say if they are offering more clomid than you need without knowing how many mg the tabs are.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:07 PM

I believe the tamox is 10mg per pill. The have a 20mg option. It's just more expensive. The Arimidex is like $370 for 30 tables and its 1mg

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:10 PM

arimidex :
http://www.ar-r.com/research-chemica...ml-1mg-ml.html

tamox:
http://www.ar-r.com/research-chemica...l-20mg-ml.html

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:13 PM

Wow! What a difference in price but, are they legal to get online? Im 41 with a family to think about. I can't be doing anything that ruin my families future.

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:15 PM

yep those are legal for research purposes, and they work fine.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:16 PM

Big thanks again for all your help. This has been great. At the risk of sounding stupid (and I certainly mean no disrespect) what do you mean by "research purposes"?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:17 PM

that's how they are allowed to sell them legally, they are labeled "for research purposes only". in case you want to use them on your lab rat.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:22 PM

Big, would it be okay to email you to talk further?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:23 PM

I don't post a public email, but I'm just about always here and after you have 25 posts you can send me private messages.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:24 PM

Understood. Thank you SO much for all of guidance?

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:28 PM

I'm really glad I could help. I spend so much time here pissing off the 18 year old 145lb kids telling them all the reasons they shouldn't cycle, it's nice to actually help someone my own age.

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by mlannon

Big...thanks for the feedback. Very much appreciated.

I've been told on my first cycle I should only use T-cyp and a PCT.

I've gotten a program recommended from a clinic in FLA who's suggesting
T-cyp 250mg 2x week
200mg of deca 2x a week
and the tamoxifen

PCT is
1 kit HCG
60 tabs of Clomid

I'm concerned about all I've read concerning deca dick so is it wise to just cut that out? Any concerns with the program they are recommending me my first time out?

Are you fricken kidding me! They recommended you use Nolva with deca? Nolva can increase sides caused by DECA and should never be used while cycling it!

HCG should be used during your cycle at a low dose 500iu-1000iu per week split into 2-4 injections and not during PCT.

Also an AI or clomid will NOT help with prolactin sides caused by the DECA. One of those sides being DECA dick.... You would need a Dopamine Agonist such as cabaser/dostinex or Pramipexole to combat those sides...

**Big** · 10-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by ythrashin

Are you fricken kidding me! They recommended you use Nolva with deca ? Nolva can increase sides caused by DECA and should never be used while cycling it!

HCG should be used during your cycle at a low dose 500iu-1000iu per week split into 2-4 injections and not during PCT.

Also an AI or clomid will NOT help with prolactin sides caused by the DECA. One of those sides being DECA dick.... You would need a Dopamine Agonist such as cabaser/dostinex or Pramipexole to combat those sides...

the "clinics" typically only want to push their sales, I'm not surprised by anything they try to get peeps to buy. a couple years ago a local guy I know went through a rejuvenation clinic in Florida (that has since been shut down) and they sold him test, deca, winny, and anadrol of all things, all at ridiculously high prices. they told him that he had low test and the compounds they sold him would boost his natural test levels.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Thanks yThrashin. What would you recommend for a cycle?

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 07:55 PM

Not sure if I'm allowed to say the name but I'll take a chance. The place was SXXXtrXm HRT in Florida. Has anyone every heard or used them before? Are they reputiable?

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Big

aromatase inhibitor, arimidex is recommended on cycle, aromasin for pct if an ai is incorporated, and letro for gyno reversal.
as strength goes aromasin is the weakest of the three and letro the strongest, remember that stronger isn't always better, estrogen is needed to grow.

I prefer Aromasin during my cycle. Most people I know do also... Its easier on your lipids then Adex I feel better when running aromisin and it is a Superior AI.. IMO

As fare as it being "stronger" that's all dose dependent. Your not comparing apples to apples here, ones a steroidal inhibitor (aromasin) and ones just an inhibitor.

"You have to be careful with Aromasin(Exemestane) because it is a aromatase inactivator which knocks the aromatase out completely. If you go too low on E2, it will take a while to get it back up because your body will have to produce new aromatase.

Arimidex on the other hand is a aromatase inhibitor. It binds up the aromatase receptors and slows down the conversion T-->E2. Once lowering the dose or stopping, E2 will come back up fairly quickly."

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:02 PM

I'm affiliated with spectrum myself PM your reps name to me...

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 08:04 PM

can't PM yet unfortunately but, based on what YOU detailed for me...I'm VERY concerned now.

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:06 PM

Hmmm.. can we get PM's? LOL. Looking for it and cant find.. Just starting using this forum. Guess we cant..that sucks. We can just choose to receive emails.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 08:07 PM

Have to post 25 times before you can PM

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 08:08 PM

So yThrashin....what would you recommend for me?

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by mlannon

can't PM yet unfortunately but, based on what YOU detailed for me...I'm VERY concerned now.

No worries... They are a good clinic. I've been with them for about 3 years now. Some reps are better then others. I can receive emails now so you can shoot me one...

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by mlannon

Have to post 25 times before you can PM

IC...good to know. Perhaps I should've scanned the rules.

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by mlannon

So yThrashin....what would you recommend for me?

I would just run the Test for your first run.

wks 1-12 Test E 500mg a week

HCG starting week 4
2 injects 500iu each, till week 13
(stopping HCG 1 week before PCT)

Use Adex or aromasin during your cycle to control estrogen.

Use nolva or clomid for PCT.Start PCT 2 weeks after last pin.

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 08:17 PM

Send you an e-mail ythrashin

**mlannon** · 10-04-2009, 08:20 PM

If anyone else has any suggestions or disagrees with ythrashin's cycle suggestion, please, please respond.

Thanks so much to all.

**ythrashin** · 10-04-2009, 08:30 PM

Sent a e-mail back

***t-gunz*** · 10-05-2009, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by mlannon

Not sure if I'm allowed to say the name but I'll take a chance. The place was Specturm HRT in Florida. Has anyone every heard or used them before? Are they reputiable?

hey mate edit that post not allow to mention sources!!