Advice needed on this cycle (13 weeks vs. 10 weeks)

**wellarmed** · 10-05-2009, 10:15 PM

Here is what I have on hand:

3 weeks of Dbol
7 weeks turanabol
10 weeks test E.

(Tamoxifen , Proviron and Clomid are all on hand)

Do I make it a 10 week cycle..which would be 10 weeks of test, with the first 3 weeks being Dbol, and the last 10 weeks being tbol

or....

make it a 13 week cycle...which would be 3 weeks of dbol, followed by tbol for the first 7 weeks of the 10 weeks of test.

I was initially going to do it over 13 weeks....but if I take the dbol 3 weeks to starting the test & tbol, the test will already "out" before the test kicks in.

Yes? No?

If I start the dbol and take it the first three weeks while taking test, it will jumpstart my cycle while the test is taking it's 3-4 weeks to kick.

Looking to reduce body fat to under 10% this cycle. I'd like to finish this cyle with my weight being between 250 and 255 I will also be loading up on creatine during this cyle...so I doubt my weight will fall below 250. I realize that dbol isn't ideal...but I still have 3 weeks on hand...and figured I used it before it expired, so I'm looking for the best way to utilize with 10 weeks test e, and 7 weeks tbol.

13 or 10?

Thanks

Age: 36
Height: 6'0
Weight: 245
Bodyfat: 13%
training since h.s.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 10-05-2009, 10:20 PM

If it was me I would go

Test-E (weeks 1 - 10)
T-bol (weeks 3 - 12)

and start PCT right after T-bol.

What dosages are you going to be running?!

**wellarmed** · 10-05-2009, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

If it was me I would go

Test-E (weeks 1 - 10)
T-bol (weeks 3 - 12)

and start PCT right after T-bol.

What dosages are you going to be running?!

And just skip the dbol altogether????

Umm...dosages....

test e. 250 mg x 2x week (500mg week)
tbol 25mg x 2x day (50 mg day)

dbol would be 25 mg/day if I use it. (have 3 weeks on hand)

the amps of (cidoteston) test e are "250 per mil), but I've read that there isn't quite a full ml in them. Anyway...2 amps per week.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 10-05-2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by wellarmed

And just skip the dbol altogether????

Umm...dosages....

test e. 250 mg x 2x week (500mg week)
tbol 25mg x 2x day (50 mg day)

dbol would be 25 mg/day if I use it. (have 3 weeks on hand)

the amps of (cidoteston) test e are "250 per mil), but I've read that there isn't quite a full ml in them. Anyway...2 amps per week.

You shouldn't really need two orals for this cycle. Both T-bol and D-bol affect liver function (t-bol is much more mild).

IMO run the T-bol for 5 weeks @ 75mg ED. I always find 50mg to be a waste.. 70 - 80mg is my sweet spot.

That's really good test (human grade) should be a quality cycle.

**wellarmed** · 10-05-2009, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

You shouldn't really need two orals for this cycle. Both T-bol and D-bol affect liver function (t-bol is much more mild).

IMO run the T-bol for 5 weeks @ 75mg ED. I always find 50mg to be a waste.. 70 - 80mg is my sweet spot.

That's really good test (human grade) should be a quality cycle.

Do you think 3 weeks (25mg) dbol and 5 weeks of tbol (75mg) is going to be overboard, as far as my liver is concerned?

So...if I were to go 5 weeks of tbol....would I start it on the back end or front end of the test?

**Vitruvian-Man** · 10-05-2009, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by wellarmed

Do you think 3 weeks (25mg) dbol and 5 weeks of tbol (75mg) is going to be overboard, as far as my liver is concerned?

Well, ok... you're old enough to make your own decisions, so I'll be completely
honest with you.. You can run two orals in a cycle. The reason it's not recommended is because it's your first cycle.. and you shouldn't really need three compounds to grow IMO..

Doing something like this...

(weeks 1 - 10) Test @ 500mg
(weeks 1 - 3) D-bol @ 25mg
(weeks 7 - 12) T-bol @ 75mg

... wouldn't be that terrible. And does give your liver a month of orals to recover. But again... not really necessary for a first go.. It's your call.

So...if I were to go 5 weeks of tbol....would I start it on the back end or front end of the test?

^^ Personally I would back-load the cycle with T-bol. But I'm sure a lot would elect to frontload with it.