Newbie cycle.

**Malaypen06** · 10-06-2009, 12:07 PM

I am 22, 5'8 150lbs and i have been running a tes-e 500mg/per week and equipoise 500/per week for 3weeks now. I feel great and am really getting a great workout at the gym. just starting to notice results and its only the tird week. Is this cycle ok. I just want some HELPFUL feedback.no bashing or post that get nowhere..just educatiuonal info that i can find helpful to my cycle. thanks brosssss

**chuckt12345** · 10-06-2009, 12:14 PM

hard to give helpful feedback if you dont ask a ?
besides the obvious,, the cycles fine,, good luck

**Big** · 10-06-2009, 12:15 PM

I'm always surprised by how many people start something and then ask opinions about it. I won't bother critiquing the cycle you are already running, what's your pct?

**hankdiesel** · 10-06-2009, 12:20 PM

5'8" 150lb is pretty thin. How long have you been working out and how many meals do you eat a day?

**Malaypen06** · 10-06-2009, 02:50 PM

I 6-8 small protein packed meals a day. I already have extremely cut muslce what can I expect in gains. I have been active my whole life and getting a great workout via yoga, running, and lanscaping. I have been in the gym hard for only one year. I already noticed my veins seem a little bigger and stay pumped longer. I feel really good. Will I gain alot of water weight?? I also plan on clomid post treatment. Also does it effect mood ect..? Thanks for any feedback

**Mooseman33** · 10-06-2009, 03:26 PM

yoga?

if yoga is involved u will grow fast...

**Big** · 10-06-2009, 04:36 PM

what exactly is the cycle and pct? dosages, durations, and timeline?

**Malaypen06** · 10-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Every Monday I take 500mg of test-enanthate . Wednesday I take 250mg of euipoise and another 250 every Saturday. I wanted to run the test for 8 weeks and the equipoise for 12 weeks. What's your thought on that? Is it a bad Idea to stop test at week 8 and continue to week 12 with euqipoise? Will the Test after effects start before I'm finshed? Pct? Post cycle therap? Clomid therapy starting a week after my last injection I'm not sure what the dosages should be for that tho? Any thoughts? Thanks

**Malaypen06** · 10-07-2009, 09:37 AM

let me know

**hankdiesel** · 10-07-2009, 09:41 AM

I don't agree with you cycling. But since you're already going at it I would take 1cc of test and 1cc of eq Monday and Thursday. Do not run the eq four weeks after stopping test. Where did you come up with all this?

**redz** · 10-07-2009, 09:44 AM

Ok there are some issues with that cycle and pct....

1-Test E needs to be ran 10-12 weeks minimum
2-If anything the Test should be ran 1-2 weeks longer than the eq
3-EQ should really be ran longer than 12 weeks for best results
4- clomid would start later than 1 week after last injection as the esters will not have cleared yet
5-Clomid only pct is very weak, you need to add nolva

**ythrashin** · 10-07-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Ok there are some issues with that cycle and pct....

1-Test E needs to be ran 10-12 weeks minimum
2-If anything the Test should be ran 1-2 weeks longer than the eq
3-EQ should really be ran longer than 12 weeks for best results
4- clomid would start later than 1 week after last injection as the esters will not have cleared yet
5-Clomid only pct is very weak, you need to add nolva

Agreed...
I'd stretch your cycle out to 16 weeks.
Test E 1-16
EQ 1-15

PCT 2 weeks after last pin of of Test E
100/100/50/50

Disagree...
That he needs to add nolva into the PCT mix. Clomid only will suffice.

**redz** · 10-07-2009, 09:50 AM

Disagree...
That he needs to add nolva into the PCT mix. Clomid only will suffice.

To each his own but I recover perfectly with that combo everytime so I have faith in it. Nolva will also help prevent an estro rebound.

**ythrashin** · 10-07-2009, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by redz

To each his own but I recover perfectly with that combo everytime so I have faith in it. Nolva will also help prevent an estro rebound.

Yep... Exact PCT protocols can be debated all day. The important thing is that he recovers.

Aromasin can be used to control estro with a clomid only PCT if needed.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 10-07-2009, 09:57 AM

Are you taking what I call a double-shot of Test E? I mean are you injecting 2cc of it at once?

I remember when I was taking Sustanon250, I used to take one shot every 3 days, which worked out at 583 mg per week. Anyway I remember there was two occasions on which I took a double-shot (because the guy who was mentoring me was a f***ing idiot), and I have to say that the doubles made me quite irritable the next day (although I have to admit I'm not 100% sure if it was the double-shots because it was raining every day that week so I was pissed off anyway).

But sorry, to get to the point, a lot of people would suggest that you split that 2cc injection into two 1cc injections so that your Testosterone level doesn't peak and drop as much. I found 1cc every 3 days worked a treat.

**chuckt12345** · 10-07-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by ythrashin

Agreed...
I'd stretch your cycle out to 16 weeks.
Test E 1-16
EQ 1-15

PCT 2 weeks after last pin of of Test E
100/100/50/50

Disagree...
That he needs to add nolva into the PCT mix. Clomid only will suffice.

yea if you want gyno

**ythrashin** · 10-07-2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

yea if you want gyno

Clomid stops estro from attaching to receptors just like Nolva. Nolva is just better at doing this. If you run a clomid only PCT you can run Aromasin with it if clomid isnt enough to control estro.

There are different PCT protocols you can run.
We can debate PCT protocols all day....

I personally prefer a Nolva only PCT.

As long as the OP recovers is all that matters. Doesnt matter what exact PCT protocol he picks as long as it works. To deny that he has options is wrong...

**chuckt12345** · 10-07-2009, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by ythrashin

Clomid stops estro from attaching to receptors just like Nolva. Nolva is just better at doing this. If you run a clomid only PCT you can run Aromasin with it if clomid isnt enough to control estro.

There are different PCT protocols you can run.
We can debate PCT protocols all day....

I personally prefer a Nolva only PCT.

As long as the OP recovers is all that matters. Doesnt matter what exact PCT protocol he picks as long as it works. To deny that he has options is wrong...

that is true but nolva is so much more effective for that purpose and why take chance when its so cheap,, just m2c

**ythrashin** · 10-07-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

that is true but nolva is so much more effective for that purpose and why take chance when its so cheap,, just m2c

Then some will argue that clomid stimulates LH better then nolva then vise versa...
Some just stay away from clomid because of the sides and others the same with nolva...
There are even rumors that Nolva is toxic to your liver and causes cancer in lab rats..(Dont know if there is any truth to it)Thats why you shouldnt take over 20mged I've read...

These things can be argued and debated over and over again...

In the end whatever works best for you...everyone is different.