4th cycle..please help

[wrathchild212]

Hey all..ive been resting for a while now..after i finished my previous cycle i got the swine..now i recovered,got a lil of my weight back and strength too and im ready for my 4th cycle here are my stats:

23
6"0
215 (used to be 225 b4 i got sick) 12%bf
3 cycle experiences

here is my 12 week bulk cycle

1-13 sustanon 500mgs/w (im gonna bump it up to 750 midcycle)
1-12 deca 500mgs/w
3-12 Tren E 300-400mgs/w (ive used Tren A before but need an advice on dosage)

Pct
week 15 clomid 100/50/50/25
Nolva 50/25/25/25

Im gonna take some proviron as well 50mgs/d it helps me wit the estrogen sides and any libido disfunctions
Tren E injected 2 times a week? sustanon 2-3 times a week?

Thanks

[nonotone]

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[chuckt12345]

why not save the tren for after the cycle and do it by itself while cutting?

umm no

[nonotone]

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[dec11]

Why are you starting the tren in week 3? It is a slow ester you should start it week 1.
another thing is; why not save the tren for after the cycle and do it by itself while cutting?

jesus!!!

[D7M]

What exactly are your goals?

previous cycles?

have you ever ran two 19-nors together on cycle?

[ranging1]

i wouldnt run both deca and tren together, just becuase they both broing out progresterone side effects, so if u do decide to run both i think u should find something to combat this

btw thats ALOT of gear for someone of ur size, i think u could grow easily off sustanon and deca

or sustanon and tren

dont c the need for so many compounds

[wrathchild212]

my goal is to get mass..but i dont want it to get out of countrol..so this is why i wanted to throw in some Tren..i guess that means..a little stricter diet should be considered

well when i used tren before..it gave me good as.s muscle size and quality..so i thought id throw it in ther..but it didnt actually cross my mind that both deca and tren are 19-nors..so ill keep it for later than

[chuckt12345]

yea drop the deca or tren

[Knockout_Power]

You dont run Tren by itself, I think thats what he is saying

[nonotone]

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[Big]

What I'm saying is; why is there some kind of common opinion that doing by itself is "wrong" ? It seems like a lot of induviduals on this forum has completely lost the ability to think for them selves and believes that the stickies must be the "absolute truth".

In my opinion tren can be run by itself with great results. for some tren will in fact increase the libido.. the risk of diminishing the libido is there but this is 100% reversible and will come back after the cycle.

how many tren only cycles have you done and what were the specifics?
edit-never mind, I just reviewed your other threads and pics, you shouldn't even be using steroids, much less giving steroid advice. there are enough of us here who know what we're talking about, your input on these issues isn't needed if that's the best you can offer.

[nonotone]

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[Big]

op if you have already used tren and liked it, I would drop the deca and keep the tren instead of vice-versa.

[Big]

the libido has nothing to do with why just about everyone knows you shouldn't run tren alone, I'm not going to debate the matter with you especially in someone else's thread. I've been around this lifestyle longer than you have been alive, and my advice is not speculation based on something I heard somewhere. If you're intrigued by the idea of tren only cycles, run one and see how you like it, THEN you would be qualified to advise others on the matter.

[nonotone]

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[daem]

Or are you giving this advice out of something you read or is it some intellectual hypothesis that is saying that it is wrong.

My intellectual hypothesis is that kids like you are oblivious to the fact that the community is based upon people willing to donate their time and advice to help you reach your goals.

Show some respect for others instead of being a classless know it all.

To last here, think about the senior and veteran members as your parents...You might not like what they say or do what they tell you, but 100% of the time it is in your best interest to listen.

Altriusm flows freely, don't be another loser that gets banned because you can't play nicely with everyone...Stop picking fights on subjects that have been debated by people much smarter than you.

Grow up, and change your attitude.

[nonotone]

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[Big]

read daem's response again for insight on why I chose not to debate you here, it certainly wasn't because you proved a point that I was unable to counter.
allow me to make an analogy: an adult is walking down the street and he sees a teenager skateboarding in traffic.
adult: son, you shouldn't do that.
teenager: WHY shouldn't I do that?
adult: because it's dangerous.
teenager: WHY is it dangerous?
the adult shakes his head and moves on.
should the teenager feel vindicated that he proved it's not dangerous?
if you want to debate this, rather than continue hijacking , start your own thread (like the one you started here) and I'm sure myself and others would be happy to oblige.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=376098

[ZaneTrain]

besides the fact that they say u shouldnt do tren only, why would you want too when u can add test to the equation and get better results?

[wrathchild212]

look buddy..i live in a place wher stupidity is a hobbie for most people..alot of people here take all kinds of steroids alone..without test at all..imagine u would take winny,tren,eq as a nice cutting cycle..all this without test...they would get the results they think is right..but in the end..they will suffer alot..no erections low test levels and that even has its own side effects in the body..they would sit and cry for months (4-5 months) until they feel that they r starting to come back to normal..the trainer i use to train with is a 3 time asia champion holder..not including local stuff..he has been trying since 3 years to get his wife pregnant and he is failing..why? no libido,no sperm production and aloooot more stuff

ther is no such thing as u cant take deca o tren only cycle..u always have the choice to do wat u want..but ther is a difference of doing things smart and doing things in a dumb way..these things are not a joke..play it safe u wont loose a thing

[nonotone]

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[chuckt12345]

Testosterone also supresses testosterone production - the period after the cycle with no testosterone in the system will happen when you have test in the cycle too. As i said before, the libido will not dissapear for everybody when doing tren or deca, and the libido will also be gone after a testosterone cycle if it happens with deca and tren.. Large amounts of Testosterone also downregulates leptin, increases appetite, suppresses thyroid function. For some people, not everybody of course it would be most beneficial to run cycles without testosterone included. What is smart for some people might be dumb for someone else.

look man,, you can run tren alone and prb more than likely have great results and no problems,, its just better to run test with it.

[wrathchild212]

it shows how smart the student is by asking the adult "How was the world created" instead of "When"

[Duma23]

just run tren and test cycle only... if u run tren only u at risk of ure libildo running away s others have said

[wrathchild212]

Well as u said it SUPRESSES..NOT COMPLETELY SHUT U DOWN!! testosterone in ur body will help get rid of low test sides..and again like u said LARGE amounts of test..does all that..but proper amounts will give u the right result and that goes for everyone as i see it
u say " the libido will also be gone after a test cycle if it happens wit tren and deca? my last cycle had prop and tren in it and after my cycle i was still bangin 3 times a day..i didnt see no disfunctions..why? because i listened to the experienced people here..that told me to run the test atleast a week after the last deca injection..u explain to me why did they say that..

[Big]

In any event OP, I have used deca and tren together on the same cycle, I hoped for a type of synergy where the sum of the parts was greater than each individually, however what I found was that I had to be much more careful of pgr related sides, and the end result would have been possible without the deca thrown into the mix.