Everything needed to have on hand for 1st cycle

**Orlando Rocket** · 10-13-2009, 04:30 PM

Was just getting ready to order my first cycle, (12 weeks of test e) what is everything that I should have before starting? Would rather have what I may need and not use it rather than needing something and not having it.

6000mg Test E, Clomid ?mg (total), Nolvadex ?mg (total), what else and how much.

**Noles12** · 10-13-2009, 04:37 PM

First off what are your stats?

**Orlando Rocket** · 10-13-2009, 08:43 PM

26yr, training 3 years consistently, 190lbs 5'10'' 15%, wasn't going to start until I got my bf% down, wanted to have everything to on hand (was going to start once I got to about 12%)

**redz** · 10-13-2009, 08:44 PM

Its pretty basic math, layout a cycle and we can critique it.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 10-14-2009, 10:13 AM

If your Test E is 250mg per ml, and if you take 1cc every 3rd day, then you'll need 28ml of juice (of course you'll want to buy 30ml to make up for the juice you lose in the needle and for the occasional few spilled drops).

If you run the following PCT:

Clomiphene (Clomid): 100/50/50/50
Tamoxifen (Nolvadex ): 40/20/20/20

Then you'll need 1,750 mg of Clomiphene, and 700 mg of Tamoxifen.

**RANA** · 10-14-2009, 10:22 AM

You might want some l-dex on hand for possible gyno issues, don't forget your needles/syringes/alcohol pads, other then that you should be good to go

**Orlando Rocket** · 10-15-2009, 01:16 PM

That takes care of the test, clomid, and nolva. Should I get anything else, I-dex for gyno? What's the pharm name for that? Anything else to consider? I'm going to try to place my order within the next week, don't want to forget anything.

**RIPPINSHEE** · 10-15-2009, 01:28 PM

Can you run something during the entire cycle to totally prevent gyno and nut shrinkage, without affect gains of the cycle itself?

**johnnyrv** · 10-15-2009, 01:56 PM

What about hcg to prevent testicular atrophy

**BJJ** · 10-15-2009, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyrv

What about hcg to prevent testicular atrophy

HCG - How important is it?

**chuckt12345** · 10-15-2009, 02:46 PM

u dont need HCG ,, just stick to what you got,,

**BJJ** · 10-15-2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

u dont need HCG,, just stick to what you got,,

What about he develops gynecomastia ?
An AI would be necessary, just in case.
Don't you think?

**chuckt12345** · 10-15-2009, 02:51 PM

my personal prefernce for gyno prevention is 10mg nolva a day
if he wants to buy some adex go for it,, i was talkin about the HCG

**johnnyrv** · 10-15-2009, 03:01 PM

so hcg is not necessary,so your nut size will go back to normal once u do pct,and do the time on-timeoff deal without a slight permanent reduction of gonads(nut size)

**chuckt12345** · 10-15-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyrv

so hcg is not necessary,so your nut size will go back to normal once u do pct,and do the time on-timeoff deal without a slight permanent reduction of gonads(nut size)

ur nuts may never even shrink,, it all depends
everything should come back to normal during and after pct