QUESTIONS about Anavar only cycle for basketball player

[WhiteShadow24]

I am about to start my first cycle and I am taking only anavar . I have done my research and it seems to be just what im looking for. However I am very curious as to how it will effect my cardio being that I am a hooper, cardio and stamina are very important to me and I dont want to compromise the two of them because they are vital in my sport. I have read numerous other forums and have gotten mixed reviews so I came here to hear it out of the horses mouth. I lift 3 times a week sometimes 4 depending on the practice schedule and do alot of cardio 5 to 6 times a week wich is a given with basketball. My diet is on point (no Mc'ds here lol) and routinely eat alot of protein. Any info for my first cycle and what to expect will be appreciated. The cardio and stamina are my biggest concerns though. Thanks.

[WhiteShadow24]

Also what other natural suppliments from GNC etc. would benefit me and be ok to take during my cycle? Thanks again.

[Necrosaro]

My first cycle was a anavar and t-bol only cycle and gained 10 pounds however got sore joints with anavar and would watch that!

What is your stats and previous cycles?

[WhiteShadow24]

No previous cycles. I am taking anavar by itself. Im 6'5 210 with 9% body fat. I plan on taking 40 mg a day for 6 weeks while staying on my usual workout/practice routine.

[Necrosaro]

You might experience issues with your joints and being a basketball player you might not want that.

[fig]

BJJ is running Anavar only (for now). His log is pretty informative:

ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

[WhiteShadow24]

thanks. I read the whole post but it really doesnt answer my questions about the effect it will have on my cardio.

[Slindog]

anavar will up your endurance, strength, size, decrease body fat, and has minimal sides.
It is the best PED for an sports related athlete. Its out of your system in a few weeks, requires easy PCT.

I would recommed HGH as well if you have the money. Just make sure you get REAL anavar. A sign its real is that it costs alot.

Be careful though, youare going to have to deal with the "whole" I am cheating at my sport ordeal. It can fuk with your head or benefit you, depending on your mentality.

I honestly believe we take a BEATING, especially if you a pro, or working to get there. We need enhancement to keep our bodies together.

[stang]

slingdog how much does it cost?

[stang]

Anavar Dosage
Due to its being a mild steroid in every sense of the word, high amounts of Anavar dosage are needed. It binds reasonably well to the AR, but pretty high doses are still needed and I would never suggest doing less than 20mgs/day. In fact, 20-80mgs are needed to start halting AIDS related wasting(1) and recovering weight for burn victims (2) so that's the range I'd recommend keeping your dosages in concerning this compound. Personally, I'd use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff. Any less than this amount (20-100mgs) would be a waste. For women, however, I think 2.5-10mgs/day would suffice. Virilation is not a concern with this compound, as it is only very mildly androgenic (3). Water retention is also virtually nil with it.

Although Anavar is an oral steroid, and has been alpha-alkylated to survive oral ingestion and the first pass through the liver, it's still relatively mild in that respect too..., the unique chemical configuration of oxandrolone both confers a resistance to liver metabolism as well as noticable anabolic activity. It would also appear that Anavar appears not to exhibit the serious hepatotoxic effects (jaundice, cholestatic hepatitis, peliosis hepatis, hyperplasias and neoplasms) typically attributed to the C17alpha-alkylated AASs. (17) Anavar has even been used successfully in some studies to heal cutaneous wounds (7), or to improve respiratory function (18). Both of these novel properties could make it a good choice for in-season use for boxers, Mixed Martial Arts competitors, and other such athletes.

Anavar and Fat Loss
Now here's some interesting stuff for anyone interested primarily in the fat loss properties of this stuff: Anavar may be what we'd call a "fat-burning steroid". Abdominal and visceral fat were both reduced in one study when subjects in the low/normal natural testosterone range used anavar (4). In another study, appendicular, total, and trunk fat were all reduced with a relatively small dose of 20mgs/day (8), and no exercise. In addition, weight gained with anavar may be nearly permanent too. It might not be much, but you'll stand a good chance of keeping most of it. In one study, subjects maintained their weight (re)gains from anavar for at least 6 months after cessation (2)! Concomitantly, in another study, Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat were also sustained (8)! If you're regaining weight, Anavar will give you nearly permanent gains, and if you are trying to lose fat (and you keep your diet in check), the fat lost with Anavar is basically looks to be nearly permanent. Check this chart out:

Absolute change in total fat mass (A) and trunk fat (B) by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry from baseline to study week 12 (solid bars) and from baseline to study week 24 (open bars) in the placebo (n = 12) and the oxandrolone (n = 20) study groups. Values are means ' SE. *Significant decrease from baseline, P < 0.001. Significant difference between study groups for change in fat mass from 0 to 12 wk, P < 0.001. (15)(8)

Anavar Cycles
Keep in mind this is all without any Post-Cycle-Therapy, and without any change in diet or training! And although many of the studies done on oxandrolone use elderly men or young boys as the test subjects, some evidence suggests that many of the effects of oxandrolone are not age dependant (11). If you are following the typical "time on = time off" protocol, this means you can lose a bunch of fat during your time on, then keep most (if not all) of it off until your next cycle. That makes it a great drug for athletes who are drug tested and need to be clean for their season, yet need to keep the fat/weight they lost on their cycle off& I'm thinking about wrestlers and other weight-class athletes. Anavar is also the clear choice for a "spring-cutting" cycle, to look great at the beach and you can use it up until the summer starts, and then keep the fat off during the entire beach season!

Anavar is great for strength and cutting purposes, but not for bulking or a lot of weight gain. In other words, what I'm saying is that everything you gain will be solid. Personally I am leaning towards a theory which basically purports that the more solid your gains are, the more you'll keep (percentage-wise). It makes sense, when you think about it; people make a lot of weight gains on the highly water-retentive steroids (Dbol , A50, long estered testosteones, etc. ), but lose the greatest percentage of their gains afterwards. The same seems to be opposite for the steroids which cause less (or no) water retention (Anavar, Primo, Winstrol , etc& ).

So why else may you keep such a high proportion of what you gained on anavar? Well, I think it may be due to it's relatively light impact on the HPTA, which brings me to my final point; Anavar will not totally shut down your HPTA, especially at lower doses (unlike testosterone, which will eventually do this even at a 100mg dose, or deca which will do it with a single 100mg dose). This could be due, at least partly, to the fact that Anavar doesn't aromatize (convert to estrogen).

Serum testosterone, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and LH (Leutinizing Hormone) will be slightly suppressed with low doses of Anavar, but less than with other compounds. FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) , IGF1 (Insulin Like Growth Factor 1) and GH (Growth Hormone ) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar, but will actually be raised significantly (12)(13)(14) as you may have guessed, and LH will even experience a "rebound" effect when you stop using anavar (3) If your endocrine system and HPTA are funtioning normally, you should be able to use anavar with minimal insult to it, and can even keep most of your values within the normal range (5).

Thus, Anavar may even be ideal for use in bridges between cycles, (at very low doses under 10mgs perhaps), or as previously mentioned, for cutting/strength cycles at 50-100mgs.

How to Buy Anavar
It's relatively high cost is its only major drawback when you buy Anavar. Tablets can typically sell in Mexico or on the black market for up to a dollar (1USD) per 10mgs. Many black market dealers or Underground Labs, however offer capsules, liquid form (or in some cases, even their own brand of tabs) for substantially less money than the legit pharmaceutical versions, or even veterinary versions found overseas.

Anavar Profile
[17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one]
Molecular Weight: 306.4442
Formula: C19H30O3
Melting Point: 235  238 Celcius
Manufacturer: BTG, SPA, Originally Searle (1964)
Effective dose: (Men)20-100mgs/day (or .125mg/kg~bdywt); (Women) 2.5-20mgs.day
Active Life: 8-12 hours
Detection Time: 3 weeks
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 322-630:24

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Anavar Profiles

[Ashop]

I am about to start my first cycle and I am taking only anavar. I have done my research and it seems to be just what im looking for. However I am very curious as to how it will effect my cardio being that I am a hooper, cardio and stamina are very important to me and I dont want to compromise the two of them because they are vital in my sport. I have read numerous other forums and have gotten mixed reviews so I came here to hear it out of the horses mouth. I lift 3 times a week sometimes 4 depending on the practice schedule and do alot of cardio 5 to 6 times a week wich is a given with basketball. My diet is on point (no Mc'ds here lol) and routinely eat alot of protein. Any info for my first cycle and what to expect will be appreciated. The cardio and stamina are my biggest concerns though. Thanks.

whats your age currently?

[WhiteShadow24]

Thanks for all the imput. To answer your question **** I am currently 27 years old.

[in2shape]

what have u got 4 pct ???

[elpropiotorvic]

Anavar did nothing bad to my joints (mma) so I don't knwo if maybe was something else or just bad form in the excercises ..

Anavar will also do nothing bad for ur cardio ... Again (mma) practiced on it and was a beast the extra energy was there ...

[WhiteShadow24]

From what information ive gathered I dont think I need a PCT for an anavar only cycle of 40 to 50 mg's a day. Thanks elpro for the input on the cardio, mma practice and training has alot to do with cardio so that helps give me a clearer view of how it will affect me as a basketball player.

[WhiteShadow24]

starting cycle next week. Just wondering should I take them in the morning , throughout the day or at night? I normally workout during the middle of the day and afternoon if that helps. Also when my cycle is complete will there be any "crash" type of deal that will leave me tired. Might be some dumb questions to most of you guys but this is my first cycle and I want to do it right.

[in2shape]

every cycle needs a pct !!!!!!!!!!!! u dont do 1 and youll learn the hard way !!!!!!!! dont be another newbie comin back on hee in a few months sayig got no balls left , sore stomach liver , cant get it up etc etc , take a liver gaurd whilst taking tabstoo .... id break dosage upthroughout day too stabilizes blood levels etc .... research pct nolva , clomid etc TRUST ME U NEED PCT !!!!!!!! regardless if anavar is not to harsh


2-3 days after last tablet nolva 20/20/10/10/10 (thats 20mgs ed for 5 weeks ) minimum and clomid 150/100/50/50

[BJJ]

Anavar did nothing bad to my joints (mma)...
Anavar will also do nothing bad for ur cardio ... Again (mma) practiced on it and was a beast the extra energy was there ...

agree

From what information ive gathered I dont think I need a PCT for an anavar only cycle of 40 to 50 mg's a day.

you have gotten wrong information. i advise you to take blood work before your cycle and one week before then end. then, by comparing the values resulted, you may obtain a personal pct; which in any case is a MUST!

starting cycle next week. Just wondering should I take them in the morning , throughout the day or at night? I normally workout during the middle of the day and afternoon if that helps.

first three weeks i took it half morning and half lunch. since i added mesterolone (proviron), i am taking it at b/l/d. however, if you want to keep your system with as less drug as possible at night, avoid taking the oxa at dinner time. (probably this will lead to less gain from the drug but everything has a price to pay).

every cycle needs a pct !!!!!!!!!!!!... regardless if anavar is not to harsh

agree

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[lotsoftime]

Ugh... People really need to read the thread about giving advice... This is horrible.

To the OP, a majority(MAJORITY) of people on this board are here for "body building" purposes. Your purpose is cardio and endurance. You will not need the doses that are "prescribed" by some of these "experts".

Look for other boards that are specific to cardio and endurance.

[BJJ]

Ugh... People really need to read the thread about giving advice... This is horrible.

To the OP, a majority(MAJORITY) of people on this board are here for "body building" purposes. Your purpose is cardio and endurance. You will not need the doses that are "prescribed" by some of these "experts".

Look for other boards that are specific to cardio and endurance.

I do not know who you are reffering to but if it is me I underline what previously written.
Cardio regime is not effected in any way by oxandrolone, I even feel more oxygenated while running, biking, doing bjj and climbing.
And no, I am not here for body building purposes only since I am an athlete. Do you know the difference?
Furthermore, I just gave personal opinions on my cycle which I am running so far.

Have you ever run a cycle of oxandrolone yourself?

[WhiteShadow24]

What would be the best PCT to run post cycle? Thanks for all the input.

[Banana_]

What would be the best PCT to run post cycle? Thanks for all the input.

You won't need PCT with a dose of 30mg ED. You will probably shut down from 40mg and up. If you don't want to do a PCT keep it on 30mg.

If you're doing a PCT for an anavar only do 4 weeks of 20mg ED Nolvadex .

[lotsoftime]

Have you ever run a cycle of oxandrolone yourself?

Yes.

Anavar and endurance

[BJJ]

You won't need PCT with a dose of 30mg ED. You will probably shut down from 40mg and up.

Do not give such an advice since ONLY blood analyses can tell a person if and which pct is needed.

[in2shape]

You won't need PCT with a dose of 30mg ED. You will probably shut down from 40mg and up. If you don't want to do a PCT keep it on 30mg.

If you're doing a PCT for an anavar only do 4 weeks of 20mg ED Nolvadex.

you have no idea !!!!!!

original poster take no notice of this noobie he has no idea !!!!!!

a standard nolva pct imho will do the trick 20mgs a day for 1st 2 weeks 10mgs a day for next 2 weeks e.g. 20/20/10/10 ( can run 5th week at 10mgs if need be )

do not make the mistakes so many more b4 u have RUN A PCT !!!!!

it costs nothing , hek ill even pay 4 it 4 u !!!!!!!

[WhiteShadow24]

Is nolva legal? Or is it something I am going to have to go outta my way to get? Thanks for the input you all. Also should I run a liver protectant while on my cycel at 30-40 mg's a day for 5 weeks?

[jcosley]

Is nolva legal? Or is it something I am going to have to go outta my way to get? Thanks for the input you all. Also should I run a liver protectant while on my cycel at 30-40 mg's a day for 5 weeks?

It is legal as a Research Chemical.

[Necrosaro]

Listen if you are planning on doing anavar at 40mgs then take 50mgs of clomid everyday for 2 weeks after you are finished with the cycle the very next day and make sure you have some liver protectant. End of story!

[jcosley]

Listen if you are planning on doing anavar at 40mgs then take 50mgs of clomid everyday for 2 weeks after you are finished with the cycle the very next day and make sure you have some liver protectant. End of story!

Exactly, do it the right way.

[zepiqueno]

i did an anavar only cycle and i do mma ,and during training and weight training it was fine when i fought in my tourny with the adrenaline flowing i gassed hard ,just in my case, some ppl say it ups cardio,i found it didnt ,think about this your getting insane pumps so your muscles need more oxygen to fuel them.just my opinion.

[WhiteShadow24]

What would be the ideal liver protectant for what I am planning on doing? Also where can I get it. I have been told that milk thistle and lots of water will do the trick but just want to be %100 sure of what to do because I want to do this the right way with no corners cut. Thanks again.

[BJJ]

What would be the ideal liver protectant for what I am planning on doing? Also where can I get it. I have been told that milk thistle and lots of water will do the trick but just want to be %100 sure of what to do because I want to do this the right way with no corners cut. Thanks again.

ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)
post n.3, I have written what I am taking to protect my liver.

[lotsoftime]

Bjj has got an informative log.

Liver protection:

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

[lotsoftime]

You should be able to get any of that stuff Over the counter at a nutritional/ herb store.

[WhiteShadow24]

You guys are GREAT!!!! Thanks for all the input and advice from all. I am glad that I am not just one of these "oh I got the sh*t now lets go gung ho" type of people and that I came to this forum for info after I did my own research. Its always good to hear it out of the horses mouth no matter how much you research and read. As for the nolva, is there a place that I can get it i.e. GNC or any over the counter place or will I have to go through the net?