3rd Cycle-ADVICE??? Want to do it right this time.

[rjlariv]

I am 23, 5'9", 195lb, approx 12%bf. 8 years of workout/diet experience.
cycle history looks like this-
1st cycle-test cyp/dbol first 4 wks.
2nd cycle-test cyp only 12 wks.
this is what i would like my third cycle to look like-
Test Cyp wk1-12 500mg Every 3.5 Days
Equipoise wk1-12 400mg Every 3.5 Days

PCT
Wk 1-2 Clen at recommended doses
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-4 Aromasin (exemastane) 20-25mgED
wk 1-8 Tribulus
wk 1-5 Proviron 50mg/ED

Ill have Arimidex on hand during cycle for possible sides.
Am I missing ANYTHING?!?!?? any help is appreciated.

[Big]

what doses did you run before? 1000mg/week test seems a bit high.

[rjlariv]

what doses did you run before? 1000mg/week test seems a bit high.

Oh Damn I posted that wrong. CYP 500/WK EQ 400/WK. My bad bro.

[rjlariv]

How does the PCT look though?

[Big]

test looks good, I'd up the EQ a bit.

[Big]

I would never run clen on pct, and personally I would drop the proviron and include clomid at 100/50/50/50

[rjlariv]

test looks good, I'd up the EQ a bit.

Even though its my first time using any other injectable besides test? and do I just inject em into the same place using the same pin at the same times?

[rjlariv]

what should i up my EQ to?

[rjlariv]

I would never run clen on pct, and personally I would drop the proviron and include clomid at 100/50/50/50

OK OK... lol I thought the whole PCT looked a bit much. so how bout this one -
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-4 Clomid
wk 1-4 Aromasin (exemastane) 20-25mgED
wk 1-8 Tribulus

[xavier_888888]

www. s p o t i n j e c t i o n s .com ( without the space )

Change pin each time! its cheap . just to be safe.

[Big]

pct looks solid now. EQ is mild, I wouldn't even bother running it less than 600mg/week. that's a good starting dose. why did you choose EQ?
and yep shoot them at the same time.

[rjlariv]

www. s p o t i n j e c t i o n s .com ( without the space )

Change pin each time! its cheap . just to be safe.

I was planning draw the cyp and EQ with one pin, then change it before the injection. is that what you meant? or do you mean for me to change the pin in between drawing the cyp and EQ into the same vial?

[rjlariv]

By the way, thanks for the website bro.

[rjlariv]

pct looks solid now. EQ is mild, I wouldn't even bother running it less than 600mg/week. that's a good starting dose. why did you choose EQ?
and yep shoot them at the same time.

Ok thanks man, I will run 600mg/week. why so high though? is there a personal reason or something you know that i failed to research? I originally was gonna run Deca but it stays in the system too long for my liking. EQ was my next choice just for the strength/hardness/vascularity ive heard about. my other two cycles left me looking a bit less cut than i liked. may have been due to my diet a bit but i am serious about this cycle so i want to do it right.

[wukillabee]

Ok thanks man, I will run 600mg/week. why so high though? is there a personal reason or something you know that i failed to research? I originally was gonna run Deca but it stays in the system too long for my liking. EQ was my next choice just for the strength/hardness/vascularity ive heard about. my other two cycles left me looking a bit less cut than i liked. may have been due to my diet a bit but i am serious about this cycle so i want to do it right.

A few things imo for what its worth:
pct:
week 1 clomid 100mg ed
week 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
If u use an ai during cycle theres no need for an ai during pct. I say run ur ai in pct (if no ai on cycle) for just the first few weeks since thats all its gonna take to do its job. Ending ur ai same time as serms can give u a rebound effect from the ai reason u end the ai in pct a week or two sooner or run serms week or two longer, ur choice.
Id go wit ur original plan, deca! EQ 9x out of 10 people say was a waste. Of course u never know unless u try, just saying. If u read about EQ or know anything about it, u know u gotta run at least 600mg week for any kind of effect for a first timer.
Use same pin to draw all gear, switch pin to inject urself. Even if ur drawing from 3+ vials u can use same pin (usually 20-22g pin) then of course switch to a fresh pin (usually 25g) to shot urself. Drawing pin is way too big to shoot urself with anyways, dont want scar tissue down the road!

[rjlariv]

A few things imo for what its worth:
pct:
week 1 clomid 100mg ed
week 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
If u use an ai during cycle theres no need for an ai during pct. I say run ur ai in pct (if no ai on cycle) for just the first few weeks since thats all its gonna take to do its job. Ending ur ai same time as serms can give u a rebound effect from the ai reason u end the ai in pct a week or two sooner or run serms week or two longer, ur choice.
Id go wit ur original plan, deca! EQ 9x out of 10 people say was a waste. Of course u never know unless u try, just saying. If u read about EQ or know anything about it, u know u gotta run at least 600mg week for any kind of effect for a first timer.
Use same pin to draw all gear, switch pin to inject urself. Even if ur drawing from 3+ vials u can use same pin (usually 20-22g pin) then of course switch to a fresh pin (usually 25g) to shot urself. Drawing pin is way too big to shoot urself with anyways, dont want scar tissue down the road!

Alright cool bro thanks for the info. Ill run the PCT like you said. How should I run the Arimidex during cycle? should i just do .5mg/day throught the whole cycle. come off of everything for 14 days then start the PCT you suggested? is that feasible?

[wukillabee]

Ok thanks man, I will run 600mg/week. why so high though? is there a personal reason or something you know that i failed to research? I originally was gonna run Deca but it stays in the system too long for my liking. EQ was my next choice just for the strength/hardness/vascularity ive heard about. my other two cycles left me looking a bit less cut than i liked. may have been due to my diet a bit but i am serious about this cycle so i want to do it right.

A few things imo for what its worth:
pct:
week 1 clomid 100mg ed
week 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
If u use an ai during cycle theres no need for an ai during pct. I say run ur ai in pct (if no ai on cycle) for just the first few weeks since thats all its gonna take to do its job. Ending ur ai same time as serms can give u a rebound effect from the ai reason u end the ai in pct a week or two sooner or run serms week or two longer, ur choice.
Id go wit ur original plan, deca! EQ 9x out of 10 people say was a waste. Of course u never know unless u try, just saying. If u read about EQ or know anything about it, u know u gotta run at least 600mg week for any kind of effect for a first timer.
Use same pin to draw all gear, switch pin to inject urself. Even if ur drawing from 3+ vials u can use same pin (usually 20-22g pin) then of course switch to a fresh pin (usually 25g) to shot urself. Drawing pin is way too big to shoot urself with anyways, dont want scar tissue down the road!

[rjlariv]

my revised cycle would look like this-
Cyp-500mg/wk for 12wks
EQ-600mg/wk for 12wks
ADex-.5mgED for 12wks
14days off
PCT-
week 1 clomid 100mg ed
week 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1-8 tribulus

Any further suggestions?

[wukillabee]

Alright cool bro thanks for the info. Ill run the PCT like you said. How should I run the Arimidex during cycle? should i just do .5mg/day throught the whole cycle. come off of everything for 14 days then start the PCT you suggested? is that feasible?

Didnt even pay attention to ur cycle and surprised BIG didnt catch this. If ur gonna run EQ then u gotta run it at least 14 weeks min for results, most say it doesnt even kick til week 8! U also need to treat it as a 19-nor so u gotta run test 2 weeks longer makin ur cycle a 16 weeker! For deca, id still run it 14 weeks and test 16 weeks for best lasting results.
Arimidex id only take if u get gyno sides. First sign will be sensitive/itchy nips, sides get worse from there so need to act asap once it hits. Once it hits (if it does, some get zero gyno sides!) then id take .5mg of arimidex ed until sides go away which should only take roughly 7 days. Now u know ur gyno prone and should run an ai from day one of any future cycles. Id then run arimidex at .25mg eod til end of cycle, adjust dose as needed this being the bare min dose of arimidex to run on cycle.
Since youve ran 2 cycles before with test and said nothing of gyno symptoms ill assume ur not gyno prone, only u know though. Still, even not gyno prone id still run an ai at a very low dose just to help keep the test/estro ratio more balance for better gains.

[rjlariv]

You are totally right. I didnt do enough research about EQ. completely my fault. I guess I will go with Deca. unless anyone can suggest something diff for my 3rd cycle? Im not prone to gyno. I had to use letro for about two weeks during my last cycle to get excessive bloating to go down. I was gonna use something less harsh than letro this time so I decided on Adex after some research and just have it on standby in case i experience the bloating again. Is adex not good to counter bloating?

[Big]

EQ can be run for 12 weeks, but longer is better. I was actually going to try to steer him away from EQ, but got sidetracked on another board after I asked why he chose EQ.

[rjlariv]

So Deca?

[Big]

I prefer deca.

[wukillabee]

So Deca?

Would be my choice, thats what im on right now for my third cycle and loving it! Id do deca at least 12 weeks and test 14 weeks bro. Deca u can do 400mg/week or 500mg/week ur first go, really up to you. I did 450mg/first 10 weeks, i then bumped it up to 600mg/week now at week 12. Getting zero negative sides from it and great gains, reason why i bumped it up.
Any ai will help with bloat bro. Stick with arimidex at .25mg eod starting at week 4 if its just for bloat. In all reality, unless u eat drive through eod, there should be no reason for serious bloat. Unless of course u just bloat like crazy regardless of ur diet then thats different. I just think bloat is very overrated and exagerrated on these boards. A little bloat is good, helps lube the joints and push more weight! Thats the whole point isnt it, push more weight?!?!

[rjlariv]

ok ok ok... just did some research fellas. how does this new cycle look? I think Its pretty solid now.
Cyp-500mg/wk for 16wks
Deca-500mg/wk for 14wks
Letro on hand for water retention
14days after last cyp injection the start PCT-
week 1 clomid 100mg ed
week 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1-8 tribulus

[rjlariv]

Would be my choice, thats what im on right now for my third cycle and loving it! Id do deca at least 12 weeks and test 14 weeks bro. Deca u can do 400mg/week or 500mg/week ur first go, really up to you. I did 450mg/first 10 weeks, i then bumped it up to 600mg/week now at week 12. Getting zero negative sides from it and great gains, reason why i bumped it up.
Any ai will help with bloat bro. Stick with arimidex at .25mg eod starting at week 4 if its just for bloat. In all reality, unless u eat drive through eod, there should be no reason for serious bloat. Unless of course u just bloat like crazy regardless of ur diet then thats different. I just think bloat is very overrated and exagerrated on these boards. A little bloat is good, helps lube the joints and push more weight! Thats the whole point isnt it, push more weight?!?!

Ya some bloat is good I agree with you to a point. I am one of those cases where it really is to a point where it is uncomfortable tho. So Letro or Adex doesnt matter huh? ok ill keep that in mind. cause ive read Letro is alot more harsh. how does my revised cycle look?

[Big]

I'd prefer adex to letro, and .25mg/eod is where I would start it if it's needed.

[rjlariv]

Sounds perfect. is the rest of the cycle on track for me to start?

[wukillabee]

I'd prefer adex to letro, and .25mg/eod is where I would start it if it's needed.

Totally agree! And yes, rest of cycle looks solid now, just dont use letro bro for water retention. Only use letro once gyno is formed, thats it!

[rjlariv]

wukillabee, Big, Xavier Thanks for all your help man I feel pretty solid bout this next big move for myself. Preciate it guys.

[johnnyrv]

throw some dianabol to kickstart the cycle

[rjlariv]

I did on my first cycle and didnt like the bloat. So I skipped it on my second cycle. at the end of the 2nd cycle i didnt notice a difference with or without the dbol. not my bag of candy. Thanks for the suggestion though.

[johnnyrv]

your looking to be more ripped?winsrtol would help

[rjlariv]

No thanks man. too harsh on the liver. another reason i took the dbol out. Im not looking to be more ripped. Its most def a bulking cycle but like i said i just dont want the water retention i experienced with dbol.

[johnnyrv]

KICK START WITH TEST PROP,less water retention

[rjlariv]

hahhah I dont need a kickstart man. what is it with you and kickstarting bro? Im intense in the gym with or with out juice. I do my cycles slow and steady for solid gains.

[johnnyrv]

just want you to get the maximum of your cycle

[rjlariv]

Thanks anyways.

[johnnyrv]

wellif you aint into kickstarting;maybe u should end the last weeks with an oral such as winny or prop.j/k take kare