What to take "on cycle"

[wellarmed]

I'm doing a 10 week Test E cycle. The last 7 weeks, I will be stacking with Turanabol. (this is my 3rd cycle)

I have Clomid, Tamoxifen, and Proviron on hand.

I am assuming the Proviron is to be taken during the cycle? I have 25 mg tabs...and was told by my guy to take for 7 weeks. I am tired of "bothering" him with questions...so...do I take it the last 7 weeks of the 10 week cycle...errr??

Also...during an earlier cycle, with dbol, I took Tamoxifen every day that I took the dbol.

Do i need that this time around?

And the Clomid...I was told to take the day after my last injection....but....from what I've read on here...I should wait 14 days until after my last injection.

Thoughts?

[CHUCKYthentic]

proviron will boost your free test levels, some guys use it and love it some hate it some dont use it. i dont, never will, dont see the need. can call for more estrogen side effects as well

the tamox use ONLY if u start to see signs of gyno, it will stop the estrogen from binding to the receptor. if you re worried about estrogen on cycle then use an AI, like adex, to keep it at bay. save the tamox for PCT

along with the tamox run your clomid for PCT. PCT will start 10-14 days after last inject. some will argue this, as most say enanthate ester takes 14 days to clear your system. i believe it is closer to 10 JMO. i personally start PCT 11 days after last test e inject

what is your proposed PCT?

[CHUCKYthentic]

also why are u waiting to start the Tbol 3 weeks in?

age
weight
height
bf%

[wellarmed]

also why are u waiting to start the Tbol 3 weeks in?

age
weight
height
bf%

37
245
6'0"
13%-14%


Factoring in the fact that the Test won't reach noticeable levels until week 4, I had planned on waiting to take the turanabol during weeks 4-10 rather than 1-7, so that the two can working at the same time.

Do you think that is the right move?

[wellarmed]

Oh...and my proposed PCT...(this is what my guy told me to do)...


If you want to be on the safe side I have Proviron which is 25mg 50
tabs for $XX US and you would take 1 tab daily for 7 weeks. It's
never a bad idea to take with a cycle when a long acting test is
involved.

Thank you

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:35:23 -0500 wellarmed@xxxxxxxxxxxxcom wrote:
>What about anti-estrogen during cycle?
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>On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:56 -0500 [email protected]
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>>The Clomid should be taken after the cycle. I would start the day
>>you finish and take one daily until it is done.

[CHUCKYthentic]

i see your reasoning, did that with tren acetate

Tbol is pretty mild in terms of shutting you down. in that sense you would be fine starting it day 1. that is why "kickstarts are for" ie drol dbol tbol and so on

what are your proposed doses on both?

[wellarmed]

i see your reasoning, did that with tren acetate

Tbol is pretty mild in terms of shutting you down. in that sense you would be fine starting it day 1. that is why "kickstarts are for" ie drol dbol tbol and so on

what are your proposed doses on both?

250 x 2x/week, so 500mg per week.


Turanabol 25mg tabs= take 2 tabs daily for 7 weeks

[CHUCKYthentic]

hahaha ya that guy doesnt know squat! typical "guy" if you know what i mean

obviously more research on your end is needed, always beneficial to know and educate yourself as much as possible. hey we all start and learn from somewhere right? sh!t i know a ton more since when i 1st joined here, a ton!

PCT id use for that cycle would be 4 weeks, 11 days after last test e shot

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolvadex (tamoxifen) 40/20/20/20
*AI like adex or aromasin also if you dont control estrogen on-cycle*

what compounds have your previous 2 cycles consisted of?
any gyno problems?

[wellarmed]

I also have about 3 weeks of dbol on hand.

What are your thoughts on this:

3 weeks of Dbol when I start the 10 weeks of Test, then 4 weeks later, start the tbol.

That will give me a 4 week break between the dbol and tbol. Yes...it totals 10 weeks of orals...but there will be a 4 week break in between. I would actually then be taking the tbol for 3 weeks after my last test injection, turning it into a 13 week cycle.

Good? Bad? Indifferent?

[CHUCKYthentic]

50mg of Tbol should serve you we ll if you continue to see gains after 1st 4 or 5 weeks. could ramp it up to 75mg/day, just a thought

id take some milk thistle for liver repair once you have completed the oral, always best to be safe

[CHUCKYthentic]

could def do that

take milke thistle in between the break of the 2 orals for repair then, then again after the tbol

u can run the tbol after your last test shot BUT STOP it a day before you START your pct. dont want to run anything suppressive at all during PCT

[wellarmed]

what compounds have your previous 2 cycles consisted of?
any gyno problems?

My first was dbol only. I took 25mg day (15 mg in a.m, 10mg in afternoon).
I took 2 tabs of tamox. in the a.m with the dbol. I believe they were 20 mg tabs or were they 10mg? Anyway...that was my first cycle. Amazingly...it was a good cycle.

Second was dbol, deca, sust.

25mg dbol, 300mg deca, 500mg sust.

Took tamox. during, and clomid for 24 days starting day after last injection.


I had no signs of gyno.
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This time around....I was told only to take 50 mg of clomid per day, starting after last injection, for 24 days. He mentioned nothing of tamoxifen. I just happen to have some on hand.

[wellarmed]

could def do that

take milke thistle in between the break of the 2 orals for repair then, then again after the tbol

u can run the tbol after your last test shot BUT STOP it a day before you START your pct. dont want to run anything suppressive at all during PCT

1.) what about milk thistle DURING the cycle? (I have plenty on hand)

2.) so you are saying that the day after my last injection...I continue the tbol for 3 weeks or whatever, then the DAY AFTER I stop taking Tbol, start the clomid and tamox?

3.) You might be answering this when answering what I just posted, but....do you think 4 weeks at 50mg/day is enough with the clomid?

[CHUCKYthentic]

good u had no signs of gyno, then again could be accredited to the nolva use on cycle

it is kinda of an "old school" way of running an AI. a true AI on cycle is better for estrogen control, i use adex

taking clomid or any SERM for pct day after last inject is not the proper protocol, unless its like test suspension. you need to give the ester time to make its way out of the body before u start putting drugs in to get your natural hormones kickin again

have u read any of the PCT stickies?

[CHUCKYthentic]

1.) what about milk thistle DURING the cycle? (I have plenty on hand)

no. no need to repair while you re tearing it down. its gonna be an on going cycle every day. tear down repair tear down repair and so forth. drink lots and lots of water and stay away from alcohol

2.) so you are saying that the day after my last injection...I continue the tbol for 3 weeks or whatever, then the DAY AFTER I stop taking Tbol, start the clomid and tamox?

yes. continue to take the tbol about 11 days though, not 3 weeks, that is too long after last shot. PCT needs to start 11days after last test e shot. like i said earlier tho, some guys say 14, but i do 11, works great for me

3.) You might be answering this when answering what I just posted, but....do you think 4 weeks at 50mg/day is enough with the clomid?

i think 4 weeks of clomid at 50mg/day during pct should be fine. a little advice, take it at night before bed to avoid any vision side affects

[wellarmed]

have u read any of the PCT stickies?

That makes total sense, regarding letting the test get out of your body before starting PCT.

I have read some stickies...and I was planning on waiting 14 days to start...per what it said.

BUT...what about when you have different compounds that have different start times.
ex: dbol, day after....test, 14 days.....deca...21 days...etc. How dose one manage that?

Thanks

[wellarmed]

after researching...i'm guessing my tamoxifen tabs are 20mg each....does that sound right? Have you ever heard of anything like 5's or 10s?

[CHUCKYthentic]

always start the amount of time of the longest ester iun that case

BUT VERY IMPORTANT: if you re using say deca or eq, you re going to want to stop it 10-14 days before your last test e or test c shot. that way the deca or eq leave your system before the test

[CHUCKYthentic]

sounds right man, tamox usually comes in 10, 20, even seen it in 25. all depends on the lab that makes it

[wellarmed]

Okay...so you don't think running any tamox during the cyle is necessary...UNLESS symptoms start? Otherwise...use as a PCT, along side the clomid?

Also.....here's a question: what do I do with the Proviron? WTF was this "vet" doing telling me to be "safe" take it during the cycle? Will it help with gyno prevention?

Here is what he wrote when I asked about Proviron and gyno prevention:

It does prevent gyno but in a different way than Nolvadex.
Tamoxifen/Nolvadex blocks the estrogen receptor while proviron
being a steroid intelf actually inhibits the production of estrogen
by providing higher levels of a hormone which in itself is not
converted to estrogen.


Thanks for all your help by the way, CHUCKY....

[CHUCKYthentic]

no problem, the help is what im here for.

i dont think the tamox is necessary unless u begin to see signs of gyno. in that case if you do, say one of your nips gets sensitive. take 10-20mg/day of tamox until it subsides.

now if you are worried about gyno/estrogen issue then your number one choice here is gonna be arimidex run throughout cycle @ .25mg or .5mg every other day. get that if u can

as for the proviron, soooo many mixed opinions on this. personally i wouldnt take it. hold on im gonna post u a link or 2 with some good info on this subject

[CHUCKYthentic]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

^^^great PCT read, written by my man WARmachine

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=404834

^^^good discussion on proviron. read waht Swifto says toward the end i think

damn that took me forever sorry man haha