Depression? What is this!??

[Ljavy17]

Well, I am on my 9th week of a 15 week Cycle. I am not sure to make it 12 weeks.
I am currently on
250Mgs of Test(Week)
400Mgs of Mast (Week)
25Mgs Proviron Dailly.
.12Mg Of Letro Before Bed. Everyday.
50MCG T 3 Dailly.

Latelly I have been really kind of sad. Nothing gets me happy, I have been in Bed for the past days Without ANY energy to do anything.
For the Past Two weeks I have only worked out 6 times and done cardio about 4. Ussually I workout like 5 to 6 times a week.
I have also been really really hungry. Specially for Carbs. However I have not gained any weight. Even though I have been eating more Carbs. Specially Oatmeal and Fiber One though.
My grades in school are also not as good as before. I cannot concentrate as well when I read. And I DO NOT like to read anymore.
I am not intersted in anything. Is it the gear? Last time I cycled I felt like this towards the end of the cycle. What do I do?
What is going on? I took some St Johns Wort this morning and I feel Much Better now which is why I am writting this.

[Yashp]

I haven't got any documented arguments, but it could either be because you simply pound yourself too hard for too long. Overreaching can do that; lesser energy, less hunger, increased need for sleep etc. This is mainly due to the increased level of kortisol (correct me if Im wrong). Therefore I would suggest you to take it easy for 5-7 days, eating steady and trying to get well.

Another more direct approach would be you'd have something turning your life upside-down recently. A crisis. Could this be it?

I've got no clue as to gear doing this - some hormones could perhaps play a vital role?

[Ljavy17]

Well My father of 50 years old passed away 5 months ago of Lung cancer. I have been dealling with it fine. However maybe latelly this has been subconscioully taking a toll on me?
I am also overworrying too much about financial problems.
However This started to get worse after the letro. I am not sure if I have NO estrogen and this is causing this lethargy and depression.
Thank you for your response.

[Ljavy17]

I would also say I have been pounding on myself for too long. In the beginning of my cycle I workedout nonstop for 7 weeks 5 days a week doing an Hr cardio each of those days. I was also hardly eating, maybe 1500 to 1700 calories a day.
Like 200grams of Protein 100 grans of Carbs and 40 grams of Fat.

[Yashp]

I'm guessing it's the two of them perhaps.

A little quotation from Wiki:

A crisis (plural: crises) (from the Greek κρίσις) may occur on a personal or societal level. It may be an unstable and dangerous social situation, in political, social, economic, military affairs, or a large-scale environmental event, especially one involving an impending abrupt change. More loosely, it is a term meaning 'a testing time' or 'emergency event'.

Fits your situation pretty good, I think. Have you considered visiting a psychologist? I know it may sound like a terrible idea from where you're sitting, but I think it would easen the burden of the sudden lose of your father, and perhaps you could learn some valuable tools on how to cope with the stress from financial problems - I've got some myself as well.

I wish you the best of luck.

[powerful intelligent]

it could be the meds. I don't think so. you probaly need to talk to somebody

[sigman roid]

It could well be a lack of estrogen combined with the other problems you have causing you to feel depressed

[tboney]

It sounds like you have alot going on with the death of your father. My condolences. I will tell you this....If I am having problems with depression or emotional issues in my life then I wait until I am feeling healthy before cycling. Thats just me! I hope you get thru these times. Best wishes.

[tboney]

I just read your other post. You need to be eating alot more than that! 1500cals a day would make me feel like shit on or off cycle..

[ted666]

i would think to drop letro. are you known to be really sensitive to aromatise side effects ?

[Mooseman33]

i think u need to start eliminating the chems bro.
dont just stop letro, lapper off it to avoid any kind of rebound.

and get eating man, food does alot of great things for the body/mind.

sorry to hear about ur father, u may want to talk with someone about this..

good luck man

[tboney]

i think u need to start eliminating the chems bro.
dont just stop letro, lapper off it to avoid any kind of rebound.

and get eating man, food does alot of great things for the body/mind.

sorry to hear about ur father, u may want to talk with someone about this..

good luck man

I agree!

[tripmachine]

I will be following this thread... I am dealing with the same type of scenario but I haven't lost a loved one in that way but in a different way.. ended a 6 year relationship and it ended on bad terms... feels really shitty and I too feel really depressed a lot of the time like you are talking about. I even have a new g/f now for the last 4 months but lately (the last 2-3 weeks) I have been getting more depressed....

I did skip shots I was supposed to take.. I missed 1 week then was on for 1 week... then skipped.. etc... figured that was messing me up so I am now switching from test prop to test e and dropping my tren ace and masteron and will save the rest for another cycle... I'm going to run a trt dose of test for a while to avoid a pct.. (I think a pct at this point might just make the depression worse so that's why i'm avoiding it until I'm feeling better)

Good luck man and we're here for you... keep on asking anything because I understand a lot of how you are feeling I bet.. If you ever want to chat you can PM me anytime

[maxtrin]

Personaly I do think that hormone balance cause 90% issues and only 10% is caused by other think like lost a loved one in you life...

Suggest to check yours e2 levels becouse of:


Low estrogen
-Low Bone Mineral Density
-Low serotonin levels as well as other neurotransmitters
-Low libido
-Negative impact on cholesterol
-Heart health (for those who say wtf? http://www.drugs.com/news/estrogen-m...rts-17729.html)
-"Brain fog"
-Reduced muscle growth

High estrogen
-Increase fat gain
-lethary
-bloat
-high blood pressure
-acne
-gyno
-longer recovery time (HPTA)
-increase risk of llong term disease such as diabetes, heart disease and some cancers
-libido loss
-prostate issues (yes from estrogen)
-cogniitive decline and increased risk for alzheimers
-depression
-decreased gains
-increase risk of cardiovascular complications

[jccnewbie]

Hey bro when I started my cycle my wife and kids had just moved out of state and a week later my brother in law passed away at 20 years old. I was in bad shape and the dr put me on cymbalta. It really helped me get through it all more optomistic and I was able to control all of my emotions instead of the other way around. I took it for a month and I actually stopped taking it today.

I'm not saying that Cymbalta or any other anti depressant would be right for you, but it really lifted my spirits when I was at my lowest. Just something to consider. .
Good luck to you.

[Ljavy17]

i also do think this all started when i started letro. I am scared of dropping it bcuz my face gets huge and i retain tons of water. What do i do? Should i drop the letro to .12mgs every other night? Up to last week i was doing .35mg every night!!. I want to control the water but have energy!!

[Mooseman33]

use some a-dex bro.

letro is so overkill for bloat control..

[chuckt12345]

aww man drop the letro,, thats stuff is killer for just an AI for bloat. 95% chance thats why you feel like shit

[BJJ]

1. Look I would advise you to take blood analyses (full spectrum hormonal ones) to see the overall situation.
An endocrinologist advice cannot be excluded, IMO.

2. Then, I believe you eat too less. What are your stats? Age?

3. DO NOT undervalue the loss that recently hit your life, you may regret it in the future. Depression might be also a dysfunction, as many psychiatrists assume. In any case, the depression is not often considered a simple reduction in the mood, but a set of symptoms more or less complex that alter substantially the manner in which a person thinks and portrays itself, toward the others and the outside world. The depression almost always accompanies deficits of the attention and concentration, insomnia, eating disorders, extreme and unjustified prostration physics.
I do not want to make you worry, just letting you understand a psychologic or better a psychiatric advice may be required in your case.
Good Luck.

[Ljavy17]

I am 23 Years Old, I am 160lbs and Probably around 12 percent BF. I am only 5.4" tall.
I really think think its the Letro. I will start tapering it down already, and By the end of this week I will have the Liquidex In my hands.
How much Liquidex should I use? .50mg EOD? It is only for water retention.

[Ljavy17]

I would like tothank all of you. It really means a lot that there are people out there that even though you dont know them personally they can really make a difference.
Thank you all for pointing me in the right direction. I have a lot of respect for those of you who have posted in my thread.

[maxtrin]

everyone is difference but I usually take only 0,5MG / week but this is maybe not relevant..

you said in every cycle you have this problem, do you know why?

[ranging1]

I would also say I have been pounding on myself for too long. In the beginning of my cycle I workedout nonstop for 7 weeks 5 days a week doing an Hr cardio each of those days. I was also hardly eating, maybe 1500 to 1700 calories a day.
Like 200grams of Protein 100 grans of Carbs and 40 grams of Fat.

ur calories are way to low

with that level of calories ur bodys most likely trying to slow its metabalism to compersate for the low level of calories

i experienced what ur going through once when i dropped my caloires that low and took up an intense excersise program that burned alot of calories

my adivce is keep ur protein level same, but up ur carbs up to 400 grams atleast for 2-3 days, ull feel ALOT better

as for the estrogen adivce it could be that to, but IMO i really think its the low calories uve been on for awhile

up ur calories like i said, itll spike leptin and take ur body out of starvation mode, allow ur brain to function better since ur brain derives its energy of carbs, its the reaosn why alot of bodybuilders suffer depression while they diet, ur bodys most likely breaking down protein and converting it into glycogen (yes ur body can do this, and it also spikes insulin aswell amazingly), if its doing this then ur in a very bad bad state, this isnt something the body should be doing for long

anyways UP ur calories for 2-3 days, itll also replsnish ur glycogen levels in ur muscles

carbohydrates have been shwon to improve mood, and give a sense of well being for people

[Ljavy17]

Steps to get Better.
Dropped the dose of letro Last night. I had been taking .12mgs every night. Now I will take .12mgs every Other night. I am already feeling a lot better today. I just dont feel lethargic and weak.
I ordered the L-Dex. I will start taking that at the end of this week most likelly and will drop the Letro.
For the Next 2 days I will Increase Carbs to 300 grams Protein will stay at 200 and Fat will be around 50.
Its time to get back into the game.

[tboney]

Steps to get Better.
Dropped the dose of letro Last night. I had been taking .12mgs every night. Now I will take .12mgs every Other night. I am already feeling a lot better today. I just dont feel lethargic and weak.
I ordered the L-Dex. I will start taking that at the end of this week most likelly and will drop the Letro.
For the Next 2 days I will Increase Carbs to 300 grams Protein will stay at 200 and Fat will be around 50.
Its time to get back into the game.

Good to hear you are feeling better today! Sometimes it just takes looking at all the pieces of your life seperately and making small adjustments. And ofcourse a positive attitude can make all the diff in the world. Focus on taking care of yourself... eat right, sleep, follow a schedule and exercise to increase those endorphins and enkephalins. Best of luck!

[ranging1]

good to hear

best of luck

[bmit]

If i drop calories too low I get depressed too. Hope that fixes it

[Ljavy17]

Well I increased my postworkout Carbs, Dropped the Letro to .12mg every other day. And I am feeling great. Energy is back in full Mode. I had an amaizing Workout Today. and My hunger is through the sky!!
Lesson Learned. Letro is harsh!!!!! And Low calories will do also some damage.

[maxtrin]

Goood to hear you feel better...