on cycle therapy

[TODouble2]

during my last cycle i ran arimidex throughout and still had issues with gyno. my nipples were very sensitive and soar. once i began my pct with clomid and nolvadex, the gyno got better. should i consider a stronger AI? or maybe run nolvadex throughout my next cycle?

thanks

[tboney]

Can you give us some stats? cycle? age, etc????

[TODouble2]

age: 24
cycle exp: about 5 cycles
height: 5'11
weight: 204
bf: about 15 percent (estimate)

im thinking of running:

test cyp 1000mg/week 1-12
deca 500mg/week 1-10
tbol 60mg/day week 1-6

.... and possibly adding winstrol 100mg/day week 8-14

[tboney]

What was your last cycle?

[tboney]

Did you have gyno as a kid?

[TODouble2]

no i didnt have gyno as a kid....

my last cycle was:

test E 750mg/week 1-15
winstol 100mg/day weeks 8-15

i ran the arimidex throughout gradually increasing it. i believe i ended at 1mg EOD

[tboney]

Hmm I wonder if your ai was bunk?? Have you had any blood work done? If your AI was real 1mg every other day should control estro. Could be prolactin, progesterone??? Swifto wrote a great post about gyno. He outlined all the different causes. It would be worth the time to read it.

[TODouble2]

i never got any bunk gear from my source.. not sure what the problem is though... i like to run something on cycle anyway to keep water retention to a minumum...

i've read the stickies... i was just looking for some opinions

[tboney]

I was referring to your AI being bunk, not your gear. You could try aromasin, I hear it is more effective.

[tboney]

What about the blood work?

[BREW-MAN]

thats very stange indeed as adex is much better than nolva for controling gyno ,i would say that the adex was bunk for sure ,love your cycle by the way 100mgs winny ed ,yum yum real nice.

[TODouble2]

i havent had blood work yet... i wanted to give myself time to hopefully get my levels back to normal... but i think i've waited too long... im gonna get it done before i start the next cycle of course, to be safe...

i was thinking about aromarin... what do u think about running nolva on cycle? i dont see much mention about it but one of the stickies includes it in cycle examples.

[BREW-MAN]

nolva and deca is a no no man.

[tboney]

I have never run nolva on cycle. I have heard plenty of people who have. I understand that it can hinder gains. You know your prolactin or progesterone could be high?? This can cause gyno as well.

[TODouble2]

interesting... i'll find out from the bloodwork

thanks

[AnabolicApocalypse]

If your AI was real 1mg every other day should control estro.

1mg eod is kind of alot isn't it? Most people use adex at 0.25mgs eod on cycle.

[tboney]

Yea, it is! Thats why I was saying that it could be bunk.

[Mooseman33]

was ur a-dex pill or liquid?
was it research chem ?

[CMPD213]

I ran adex at .5mg ED when I was on my last cycle, 750mg Test and 800mg EQ kickstarted with anadrol/dbol.... My gyno was flared up the whole cycle, arimidex just isn't strong enough for me...

Now I run 12.5mg aromasin ED and I'm on 100mg Test E ED, 100mg NPP ED, 50mg Test ace ED, 75mg dbol ED, and 100mg proviron ED.. I'm barely holding any water, I'm up 7 pounds, and strength is up, my gyno almost seems to be getting better.

I think you should try aromasin.. Just my 2 cents

[BREW-MAN]

100mgs test e every day ? may i ask why?

[CMPD213]

More steady blood levels... Plus im running test acetate and have to inject that everyday, and NPP is best to inject everyday as well....

More steady blood levels = Less sides IMO

Vitruvian-Man gave me this insight and i am liking it so far..

If you dont mind pinning i say its the way to go

[tboney]

More steady blood levels... Plus im running test acetate and have to inject that everyday, and NPP is best to inject everyday as well....

More steady blood levels = Less sides IMO

Vitruvian-Man gave me this insight and i am liking it so far..

If you dont mind pinning i say its the way to go

Ok well thats not test e.

[TODouble2]

was ur a-dex pill or liquid?
was it research chem ?

it was a pill

[TODouble2]

I ran adex at .5mg ED when I was on my last cycle, 750mg Test and 800mg EQ kickstarted with anadrol/dbol.... My gyno was flared up the whole cycle, arimidex just isn't strong enough for me...

Now I run 12.5mg aromasin ED and I'm on 100mg Test E ED, 100mg NPP ED, 50mg Test ace ED, 75mg dbol ED, and 100mg proviron ED.. I'm barely holding any water, I'm up 7 pounds, and strength is up, my gyno almost seems to be getting better.

I think you should try aromasin.. Just my 2 cents

cool i think thats what i'll do.. thanks

[CMPD213]

Ok well thats not test e.

Actually yes it is... Im running Test E, Test ace, NPP everyday. It's a 2cc injection.

Test E = 200mg/ml, 1/2cc ED
Test A = 100mg/ml, 1/2cc ED
NPP = 100mg/ml, 1cc ED


If you end up using the aromasin let me know how that goes for you bro

[romo6]

^^^ There is nothing wrong with doing test e like that,like you said your already pinning ed anyway.Good luck.

[lovbyts]

you are 24, how many cycles have you ran already?

[CMPD213]

Sorry for hijacking the thread...

OP how is your experience going? What did you end up doing?

[tboney]

Actually yes it is... Im running Test E, Test ace, NPP everyday. It's a 2cc injection.

Test E = 200mg/ml, 1/2cc ED
Test A = 100mg/ml, 1/2cc ED
NPP = 100mg/ml, 1cc ED


If you end up using the aromasin let me know how that goes for you bro

Bro, you said you are running test e everyday. You dont need to run test e daily. Test acetate is different, it can be run daily.

[CMPD213]

Bro, you said you are running test e everyday. You dont need to run test e daily. Test acetate is different, it can be run daily.

I know that, but i'm already injecting everyday. So why not add an extra 1/2cc ED rather than adding 1.75cc on Mondays/Thursdays.. Feel me?

[tboney]

My point is that you need to keep your test levels stable and consistent to avoid sides. If you want the extra test just add the 1/4 of test e to your monday thurs injecs.

[CMPD213]

Do you understand what I'm saying??... I'm running 350mg Test ace EW, 700mg Test E EW, 700mg NPP EW.. Now I decided to shoot NPP and Test ace ED, so that is 1cc NPP & .5cc Test A. Why not add .5cc Test E to the injection everyday to make it a 2cc injection rather than having a 3.25cc injection Monday/Thursday and a 1.5cc injection every day besides that.