Help with massive cycle

[P70D1GY]

Im starting a cycle in a couple months that will consist of...

-Test (250 ew)
-Tren (50 ed)
-Deca (150 ew)
-Ghrp-6 (250 mcg after workouts?)
-Hexarelin (100mcg before bed?)
-Arimidex (small dose throughout, not gonna take while on tren tho)
-Cabergoline
PCT
-Clomid
-Nolvadex
-Hcg

Not sure the dates i should arrange them.
Tren for the first 4 weeks or last?
Take hex while on the ghrp-6, and tren?
Hcg throughout?

Ive only done a few cycles before this, the biggest were a 700mg test cyp ew (that i think was underdosed) and then 600 mg test with 300 mg deca ew.

Any input would be great, im planning on gaining alot from this cycle so looking foward to any help.

[elpropiotorvic]

u must be one huge mofo...

[Big]

Im starting a cycle in a couple months that will consist of...

-Test (250 ew)
-Tren (50 ed)
-Deca (150 ew)
-Ghrp-6 (250 mcg after workouts?)
-Hexarelin (100mcg before bed?)
-Arimidex (small dose throughout, not gonna take while on tren tho)
-Cabergoline
PCT
-Clomid
-Nolvadex
-Hcg

Not sure the dates i should arrange them.
Tren for the first 4 weeks or last?
Take hex while on the ghrp-6, and tren?
Hcg throughout?

Ive only done a few cycles before this, the biggest were a 700mg test cyp ew (that i think was underdosed) and then 600 mg test with 300 mg deca ew.

Any input would be great, im planning on gaining alot from this cycle so looking foward to any help.

so 250mg/week test, 350mg/week tren and 150mg/week deca is a "massive" cycle? mmmkay...

age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?

[P70D1GY]

haha its not huge for the average, but for someone with my previous cycles...yes its decent.
im 21 (yea young blah blah, im a trainer, im not an idiot teenager)
im 5' 11''
180 lbs
12% bf

[BREW-MAN]

so if you have done 2 cycles in the past and just lets say you gained 15lbs of each cycle this means you started your 1st cycle at 150bls at 5,11 .

DIET.

[P70D1GY]

so if you have done 2 cycles in the past and just lets say you gained 15lbs of each cycle this means you started your 1st cycle at 150bls at 5,11 .

DIET.

Your an idiot. Who ever said i gained 15 pounds of muscle per cycle?

[romo6]

Being a trainer does not change the fact your 21.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

no reason for calling someone an idiot bro chill out. how much DID you gain from your 2 cycles then?

[BREW-MAN]

Your an idiot. Who ever said i gained 15 pounds of muscle per cycle?

i was giveing an example of what can be gained from the first few cycle done by someone who knows what there doing ,you must of started a cycle in thje range of 150-160lbs ,correct?

[P70D1GY]

Sorry if i got pissed but i felt like you were disrespecing my whole mindset saying "diet". As i said earlier im a certified trainer (not bragging just saying i know nutrition), but anyway my first cycle i was 170. Then i gained 10 pounds and lost 5, then gained 10 again and lost 5. Leaving me at 180 where im at now...

[BREW-MAN]

500mgs of 19 nors pw ,250mgs test pw ,21 ,180lbs 5.11, 3rd cycle ,hmmmmmm how can you call me an idiot

[BREW-MAN]

Sorry if i got pissed but i felt like you were disrespecing my whole mindset saying "diet". As i said earlier im a certified trainer (not bragging just saying i know nutrition), but anyway my first cycle i was 170. Then i gained 10 pounds and lost 5, then gained 10 again and lost 5. Leaving me at 180 where im at now...

ok,a simple test e cycle for 12 weeks is all you need ,lets see your diet layout please.

[chitownhoker]

how did you only gain 10lbs on 600 test and 300 deca?

[P70D1GY]

Perhaps you didnt see the dostinex?
And im not here to argue, im here to get advice from someone willing to give it. Honestly im not forcing you to reply, you can be doing a million other things rather than argueing with me. If you have nothing better to do than give me a hard time....get a life dude

[P70D1GY]

Oh yea guess it would be good to say, im absolutely not into gearin up at a young age but i was one of the stupid 18 year old juicers who didnt know better. So anything i do now really has no detrimental effect. Also im 110% ectomorph with small bones so i may only weight 180, but i look like i weigh 200. (not bragging or anything, its just every1s bashing my light weight...)

[BREW-MAN]

listen your saying you know about good dieting all all this shit about you being a trainer and this and that ,well i call total bull shit on you as your no were near ready for steroids and people are trying to open yur eyes to what you should be doing and that is workig on your diet for a good 4-5 years .

[Hazard]

see.... the problem with being young isn't "lack of knowledge" regarding diet..... or pct.... or even training. The problem lie's in the fact that your hormonal system may not be fully developed. Shutting yourself down so young can be damaging..... early hrt, ED problems, etc..... can be the result of an early age user.

Also, I don't think anyone is intentional knocking you on your diet. It's just that 180-190lbs can be obtained naturally for someone 5'11" - thats why your diet was brought into question. If you wouldn't mind posting it up - i'm sure someone would be more than willing to critique it and give advice on it. (if it needs tweaking)

~Haz~

[P70D1GY]

So lemme get this straight... i have the same amount of muscle as a 200 pound guy, but because i only weigh 180 pounds with two bs cycles under my belt im a clueless dumbass?
Dude.... GO SOMEWHERE, your seriously no help and your preaching diet to someone who gets paid to help others with diet for a living.

[P70D1GY]

see.... the problem with being young isn't "lack of knowledge" regarding diet..... or pct.... or even training. The problem lie's in the fact that your hormonal system may not be fully developed. Shutting yourself down so young can be damaging..... early hrt, ED problems, etc..... can be the result of an early age user.

Also, I don't think anyone is intentional knocking you on your diet. It's just that 180-190lbs can be obtained naturally for someone 5'11" - thats why your diet was brought into question. If you wouldn't mind posting it up - i'm sure someone would be more than willing to critique it and give advice on it. (if it needs tweaking)

~Haz~

Although not what im looking for, at least you dont sound like your retarded. And like i said earlier, ive done test/deca at a young age, that ship sailed while ago. Stupid of me? Yes. Can i change the past? No.

[BREW-MAN]

see.... the problem with being young isn't "lack of knowledge" regarding diet..... or pct.... or even training. The problem lie's in the fact that your hormonal system may not be fully developed. Shutting yourself down so young can be damaging..... early hrt, ED problems, etc..... can be the result of an early age user.

Also, I don't think anyone is intentional knocking you on your diet. It's just that 180-190lbs can be obtained naturally for someone 5'11" - thats why your diet was brought into question. If you wouldn't mind posting it up - i'm sure someone would be more than willing to critique it and give advice on it. (if it needs tweaking)

~Haz~

x2 lets see this great diet you have and as above the effect on your hpta could result in you regreting these cycles for the rest of your life.

[Big]

good luck I'm out.

[chitownhoker]

So lemme get this straight... i have the same amount of muscle as a 200 pound guy, but because i only weigh 180 pounds with two bs cycles under my belt im a clueless dumbass?
Dude.... GO SOMEWHERE, your seriously no help and your preaching diet to someone who gets paid to help others with diet for a living.

unless you have bird bones you prolly dont' have as much muscle as someone who is 200 pounds, your skeleton weights about 25#s for someone who is 180 #s so, if your ecto lets just say yours ways 15# (which it doesn't) then you wld be at 190#s

stories not adding up bro

[verino]

why dont you just show your diet?! it isnt hard to say what you eat.

[Reed]

why dont you just show your diet?! it isnt hard to say what you eat.

Agreed.

[P70D1GY]

Breakfast- 6-7 scrambled eggs (yes w yolk)
Weight gainer
Lunch- Varies, could be chicken breast, could be cold cut sandwhich, could be tuna salad, or fast food
Workout then- then protein shake
Dinner- Random, anything really, just always make sure to get at least 30 grams protien.

I realize the cholesterol is super high, but ive had bloodwork done and my total cholesterol is actually low. Although i feel as though ive been disrespected by multiple people ill post this just to show everyone im not a ****ing retard whos looking for a fast/easy way out and whos had a nice diet for years of his life.

Should also add on most days i eat 2 packets of oatmeal after waking up before anything else.
Also this is my foundation, not including the random packets of tuna or snacks i eat.

[verino]

thats not a very good diet at all! and you most likely eat way to much fast food by admitting you eat it for lunch

[BREW-MAN]

Breakfast- 6-7 scrambled eggs (yes w yolk)
Weight gainer
Lunch- Varies, could be chicken breast, could be cold cut sandwhich, could be tuna salad, or fast food
Workout then- then protein shake
Dinner- Random, anything really, just always make sure to get at least 30 grams protien.

I realize the cholesterol is super high, but ive had bloodwork done and my total cholesterol is actually low. Although i feel as though ive been disrespected by multiple people ill post this just to show everyone im not a ****ing retard whos looking for a fast/easy way out and whos had a nice diet for years of his life.

Should also add on most days i eat 2 packets of oatmeal after waking up before anything else.

no more than 150g protein in that diet ,its piss poor

who the fuk would pay you to give then advise on diet

[Reed]

Breakfast- 6-7 scrambled eggs (yes w yolk)
Weight gainer
Lunch- Varies, could be chicken breast, could be cold cut sandwhich, could be tuna salad, or fast food
Workout then- then protein shake
Dinner- Random, anything really, just always make sure to get at least 30 grams protien.

I realize the cholesterol is super high, but ive had bloodwork done and my total cholesterol is actually low. Although i feel as though ive been disrespected by multiple people ill post this just to show everyone im not a ****ing retard whos looking for a fast/easy way out and whos had a nice diet for years of his life.

This is a horrible diet for someone trying to gain

Lack of carbs, lack of protein, lack of essential fat, lack of organization, no amounts of macronutrients (protein/carbs/fats) and you do not know the amount of calories you get just kinda guess..

Oats, sweet potatoes, rice,?? Your bulking right??

Red meat?

Fish oil and other fats?

Would you like a quick example of a diet for someone trying to put on muscle>

Yep the boys were right your diet is 100% the issue with the weight gain.

[P70D1GY]

My diet has a min of 200 grams of protien for one. For two, i love fast food i wont lie, its massive calories and i dont get fat. And for three go **** yourself, i dont preach fast food to my clients. Because obviously not everyones an ecto.

[P70D1GY]

no more than 150g protein in that diet ,its piss poor

who the fuk would pay you to give then advise on diet

Alot of people actually, which is why i have a nicer house/car than you at the age of 21.

[redz]

Diet sucks and that is apoor cycle choice, one 19 nor compound with test would be better. That cycle is not huge by any standard, you can think what you want but your diet is off.

[romo6]

Wow im surprised its that bad.

[verino]

no more than 150g protein in that diet ,its piss poor

who the fuk would pay you to give then advise on diet

haha i was going to say the same...who in their right mind would pay you for your "training" and "nutrition" advice

[P70D1GY]

Diet sucks and that is apoor cycle choice, one 19 nor compound with test would be better. That cycle is not huge by any standard, you can think what you want but your diet is off.

Not trying to be a dick or anything but if thats you in your avatar, im much more developed and probably stronger than you... so dont hate

[BREW-MAN]

My diet has a min of 200 grams of protien for one. For two, i love fast food i wont lie, its massive calories and i dont get fat. And for three go **** yourself, i dont preach fast food to my clients. Because obviously not everyones an ecto.

[redz]

Alot of people actually, which is why i have a nicer house/car than you at the age of 21.

Whats the point of saying crap like that? this is a steroid,diet and training forum.

[Reed]

My diet has a min of 200 grams of protien for one. For two, i love fast food i wont lie, its massive calories and i dont get fat. And for three go **** yourself, i dont preach fast food to my clients. Because obviously not everyones an ecto.

What a quality trainer you must be. Probably work at some half ass gym that you only gotta pass 1st grade P.E. to be "certified".

Change the attitude if you wanna progress, we are here to help you and instead of being critiqued, is that not your intent on coming online and asking, you act like a jerk. Realize everyone has things in their training programs that can be tweaked better.

[Big]

Alot of people actually, which is why i have a nicer house/car than you at the age of 21.

ok I'm back in. you may be 21 but you sound like your 15. regardless of where you live or what you drive, how in the fvck would you know where he lives or what he drives? you preach how you are a diet guru then post an awful diet, your attitude sucks, so regardless of where this thread leads it won't change who you are. sad.

[redz]

Not trying to be a dick or anything but if thats you in your avatar, im much more developed and probably stronger than you... so dont hate

Stronger than me? ha year right buddy I`m 6'2 230lbs. I can bench 370 and squat 470 in sets of ten.

[P70D1GY]

I was trying to get some advice, but i realize now nobody heres knows what the **** their talking about. I would sit here like many of you and argue endlessly, but sadly i have a busy life. Have fun trying to raise your self asteems acting like you have friends online which you have never even met. You guys are like the world of warcraft addicts, you just workout. Ill probably be depressed about how nobody here wanted to help me, but in a couple minutes ill realize my life is better than all of yours and your all grown men who cant get away from their computer. Losers.