Test Questions

[testiman]

hey guys ( and gals ifd there are any present reading this)

i have a couple of questions

im a 41yr old male.about 4 months ago, my dr had me tested for low T levels, and found that my T levels were L-O-W ( something like 65)

so he started me on androgel (4 pumps daily) and i felt an instant improvement all the way aroiund. ive dropped about 10-12lbs without even exercising much. anyway, he retested me today, and found that my levels were looking good (about 600...hes pretty good to and he tested everything), BUT i mentioned to him i was sort of nervous because 4 pumps is quite a bit, i was sweating it off, or sweating and then showering, my wife does the laundry and washes my shirts, and i also have a 10yr old son in the home. he switched me over the self administered injections (test cyp) and i did my first shot today (1CC every two weeks, but he said i could do 1/2CC every week if i liked to keep the levels more evened out) and it was painless, came off perfect. while it did work absolutely great,im glad cause i hated slathering the androgel on ( i still have 5 pump bottles left) and worrying about contact on the wife and son

anyway, i was thinking today that since i already have to take the shots and use the stuff anyway, i might as well do a bit of weight lifting and try to bulk up a bit...


any tips?

is the dosage im on close to what i would take to bulk up lifting casually?

any info would be greatly appreciated

[DR T]

If the test cyp is 250mg/ml (prob so), then the dose he has u on is 125mg/week. Normal male test production from age 20-30 ranges from 30-80mg per week (figures vary depending on where u get your stats).
Most muscle gain/ bodybuilding doses range from 400-600mg/week (reasonable starting dose)... To pros doing over a gram/week.
The ammount of test your doc has you on is above the normal
production, you will def. Have positive effects (lean muscle gain)... But as everyone on this board will likely agree: you need to take about 3-4times the dose you are currently taking to really get the most out of a test only cycle...
Curious: does your doc have you cycling on and off? Post cycle therapy ? Or is this a hrt, and the doc isn't worried about natural test shutdown- being that it's naturally low already?

[testiman]

If the test cyp is 250mg/ml (prob so), then the dose he has u on is 125mg/week. Normal male test production from age 20-30 ranges from 30-80mg per week (figures vary depending on where u get your stats).
Most muscle gain/ bodybuilding doses range from 400-600mg/week (reasonable starting dose)... To pros doing over a gram/week.
The ammount of test your doc has you on is above the normal
production, you will def. Have positive effects (lean muscle gain)... But as everyone on this board will likely agree: you need to take about 3-4times the dose you are currently taking to really get the most out of a test only cycle...
Curious: does your doc have you cycling on and off? Post cycle therapy? Or is this a hrt, and the doc isn't worried about natural test shutdown- being that it's naturally low already?

its HRT...no cycles....

NOW, would it be prudent/OK while im taking the test depo to supplement on workout days with the andro pump also??...at least that way after hitting the weight pile i can go in and hit the showers......

[mikey24]

If the test cyp is 250mg/ml (prob so), then the dose he has u on is 125mg/week. Normal male test production from age 20-30 ranges from 30-80mg per week (figures vary depending on where u get your stats).
Most muscle gain/ bodybuilding doses range from 400-600mg/week (reasonable starting dose)... To pros doing over a gram/week.
The ammount of test your doc has you on is above the normal
production, you will def. Have positive effects (lean muscle gain)... But as everyone on this board will likely agree: you need to take about 3-4times the dose you are currently taking to really get the most out of a test only cycle...
Curious: does your doc have you cycling on and off? Post cycle therapy? Or is this a hrt, and the doc isn't worried about natural test shutdown- being that it's naturally low already?

I would have to disagree that he needs 3-4x more TEST to see some new muscle.Besides I doubt this guy is trying to get huge.At his age 41 and with low TEST levels he should see very good gains with 250-300mg a week coupled with a good diet and steady weightlifting.

[DR T]

I would have to disagree that he needs 3-4x more TEST to see some new muscle.Besides I doubt this guy is trying to get huge.At his age 41 and with low TEST levels he should see very good gains with 250-300mg a week coupled with a good diet and steady weightlifting.

Ok... 2-2.5x more test than what he is currently taking

[testiman]

so then, would it be prudent or ok to use the andro to supplement the test cyp shots during the week when im lifting?

if so, how many pumps should i use?......

( the test cyp is 200 not 250)

i cant see the andro just sitting there doing nothing........that stuff is EXPENSIVE

im not looking to try to win Mr. Universe or anything, but id like to see the extra weight im carrying .im 6FT 1 and about 215, but a comfortable 215....i wear the weight well, and its in the right places i think that with some work it wouldnt be hard to turn it into muscle. i pump up pretty easy though.

anyway, any info would be good.

[testiman]

no comments?

if anyone can give me anymore info or answers, feel free to email me at tvjunky AT mail Dot com

thanks

[chuckt12345]

youll gain fine off of trt doses. your body was at 65ng and is now around 600ng. Having a healthy male range of test at 41 will def benefit you in muscle mass, fat loss and energy.
Are you gonna see gains like a normal cycle? NO but i dont think thats your goals

[testiman]

no, i just mainly want to cut back some body fat and bulk up a bit......wouldnt bother me though to cut up nicely though.


any tips on freeweights?

[chuckt12345]

no, i just mainly want to cut back some body fat and bulk up a bit......wouldnt bother me though to cut up nicely though.


any tips on freeweights?

not really,, they have a section on here for that though,,
just start out slow and light

[testiman]

yea, ill do that.. i appreciate your help. you have my email if you think of anything else, hit me and let me know.

(i did increase my dose by 1/2CC injection though today, so maybe that will give a little boost in getting started)

ill just et this androgel sit then. if you tink ill be able to do what i want with what ive got, no use really in using it..........i wish i had a local trainer in my area i could get some help from. im a rural area, and i dont tink we even have a gym within 100 miles.

[testiman]

youll gain fine off of trt doses. your body was at 65ng and is now around 600ng. Having a healthy male range of test at 41 will def benefit you in muscle mass, fat loss and energy.
Are you gonna see gains like a normal cycle? NO but i dont think thats your goals

chuck12345

went to the dr. today and he raised my dose to around 200mg a week so im hoping that will work OK for me....

just waiting on my weights/bench/ect.... im in a rural area, so ive got to darn near order everything i get online.....LOL.....should be here in the next day or two.

will keep everyonbe posted on how things are lookin...maybe a before/after photo in a month or so.


hey, also, is there a reliable place to order online?...i want to get a few things, but dont know who to order from.

[testiman]

well, got my bench,dumbells and weightpile today via UPS......cant wait to get busy. ill have to give them a try this evening...LOL....