1st cycle with test prop (testolic) , Stanozolol

[tarzenbond]

Hello All,

I am new to this hence help needed.
Previously I have tried Clenbuterol and lost about 10 kg.
No previous cycle or knowledge with injections.

My main aim of cycle is to get ripped and lean muscle mass. I never been totally ripped in my whole life.

1st cycle is as follows :

testolic : Test Prop : 2 times a week 100 MG/week ( heard of taking ED or EOD, but 2 times/wk is ok ?)
Stanozolol 2 times a week 100 MG/week ( heard of taking ED or EOD, but 2 times/wk is ok ?)
Stanozolol Tabs : 2 tabs of 10mg / day

Stats :
age : 26
height : 5.10 "
weight : 77.5 KG
bf% : 14 %
Post Cycle Therapy knowledge : nolva/clomid for PCT
lifting experience : Working on and off from past 6 years, lifting quite good
diet knowledge : Moderate

Any suggestions ?

Regards,

[CHUCKYthentic]

well your proposed cycle is no good. 100mg/week will give next to nothing, pretty sure your body naturally produces more test than that

prop does need to be shot ED or EOD minimum, a lot of pinning, that reason alone, it is not a good choice for a 1st cycle. no need for the winstrol, your bf% isnt low enough IMO

test only for a 1st cycle is all you need. that said, look into a long estered test like enanthate or cypionate. requires 2 shots per week. 400-500mg/week would be a good 1st cycle

[rcmf5525]

Previously I have tried Clenbuterol and lost about 10 kg.

Stats :
age : 26
height : 5.10 "
weight : 77.5 KG
bf% : 14 %
Post Cycle Therapy knowledge : nolva/clomid for PCT
lifting experience : Working on and off from past 6 years, lifting quite good
diet knowledge : Moderate

Regards,

U lost 22lbs, now weigh 170lbs and are 5'10" and are 14%bf? Not busting your balls, just wondering... Seems like a lot from Clen. How long did you use it, what was your cycle like?

[tarzenbond]

I was 87.6 kg with 24.5 % bodyfat in April 2009 , I was on diet and in May i started Clen
my cycle was
2 weeks - 2 tab/ day
1 week - 2 tab EOD
1 week - off
1 week - 2 tab / day

During this I have lost about 5 kgs and later with proper diet/weight training/cardio overall about 10 kg

my waise was 37 inches before start and now it is 32 , I think i can still cut it down..



@ CHUCKYthentic
Thanks for information.

How much should my body fat to start winstrol ?

Only Test - prop : EOD with 100mg is a good 1st cycle ?

[CHUCKYthentic]

with winstrol it really depends on what you re using it for. to dry u out for the cut look, or some like it for its strength benefits

if its to cut you up, id suggest 11%bf or less

be aware it can be harsh on your joints

how much are u looking on running? inject or oral?

as for the prop 100mg EOD is good, or 125mg

like i said, the thing with prop and a 1st cycle is the frequent pinning, if you think u can handle it

[tarzenbond]

I am considering

Stanozolol 50mg/ml 2-3 shots/ week for 5 week cycle with testolic.


My aim to grow lean muscle mass, I dont want to grow HUGE in size. Just to keep my muscles with ripped looks.

ex. Brad Pitt from FightClub

[tarzenbond]

like i said, the thing with prop and a 1st cycle is the frequent pinning, if you think u can handle it

I guess , I am ready for that..

keeping fingers crossed..

[CHUCKYthentic]

id just stick with the prop only for now for 8-10 weeks man. winstrol inject can be very painful, that on top of the prop as well as the frequent pins wont feel too good for u

winstrol really wont give you the cut results you want trust me

test prop helps burn fat at a good rate. if you have your diet and training down you will be good to go. if you need any help there go ahead and go over to the diet forum and they can help u with whatever you need

what is your PCT schedule gonna look like?

[tarzenbond]

I am thinking for following as PCT :

wk 3-7 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
wk 2-7 Nolva 20mg/ED

[CHUCKYthentic]

are those weeks refering to the weeks you re in cycle?

if so man that is way off, you need to do more research

PCT for test prop starts 3 days after the conclusion of the cycle

[tarzenbond]

as of now , I am not sure about weeks and timings and dosage of PCT.
I will consult with frnd and will do more research and will post.

What exactly should b my PCT if i ran test prop for 8 weeks ?

[CHUCKYthentic]

well you need to find what works for you, there is no definite answer in this. i run an AI (aromatose inhibitor) on cycle to keep estrogen levels down. some do not need it and save AI for PCT

my pct is as follows:
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20


just my opinion, you could see if this PCT would work for you
starts 3 days after last test prop shot
clomid 50/50/50/50 or 25 on last week
nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 25mg ED for 4 weeks as well

[CHUCKYthentic]

read some of the PCT stickies in the PCT forum, as well as the PCT sticky in this Q&A written by WARMachine

[tarzenbond]

@chucky
@chucky :

Thanks for valuable information. Added some reputation!

I will try to put my pictures. Before , with in , after cycle.
Hope to see good results.

[CHUCKYthentic]

thanks

everyone has to start somewhere, not everyone knows everything and we all have to learn somehow. receiving info on here from guys that know their sh!t is the best, that is what i have done and still do. i do not consider myself an expert but i now more than enough

any questions dont hesitate to ask, it is very important to know as much as u can

good luck

[doctorb325]

hey dude

As already stated, test prop has to be injected frequently. If this is your first cycle, do you have experience doing injections? Odds are you will have to inject in some smaller muscles like biceps and triceps to keep injection sites fresh and giving them time to recover. If you're not careful you can hit a vein or worse, damage a nerve as they are much more compact in these smaller muscles than in larger muscles like glutes and quads.

The second thing is, in order to become totally ripped, you need to first build up a good amount of quality muscle, then drop off the fat. At 170 pounds and 14% bodyfat, you're still quite small (no offense) and could add a ton of muscle naturally and then try and drop the fat. If you cut now, you probably won't make too dramatic of muscle gains, just get rather skinny.

Maybe a 12 week Test E 500 mg/week cycle is in order, with winstrol added at 50 mg/day added towards the end of the cycle to give you a more "hardened" look?

IMHO it's getting to be winter, so I'm bulking up, then I'll do a cutter closer to spring/summer.

[marcus300]

Forget the winny there is no need for it for your goals, you dont have the prop planned out right, stick with 400mgs per week and shoot it ED or EOD at least along side a very good diet and cario program.