HCG help, first cycle

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[CHUCKYthentic]

welcome to AR

lets 1st start with your cycle and pct

its good that you re seeing results off of only 250mg. if your diet is on, then a lot of it is credited to that. 250mg is a very low dose, but to each his own, if you re happy with that then its fine

tapering up through your cycle is not necessary. pick one dose and stick with it. if you want to up the dose to 375mg/week then just do it and stick with it. for future reference stick to one dose throughout from beginning to end.

i suggest 400mg/week split in to two 200mg shots per week, monday and thursday. this with maintain steadier blood levels

as for PCT, you need to read the stickies in the PCT forum, as well as the one in in this forum written by WARMachine

you need to add clomid and an AI into your pct like arimidex or aromasin

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[CHUCKYthentic]

yes i would still recommend all those compounds for pct. also split your test shots out into 2 shots per week @ 125mg/shot

as for HCG since it is a low dose cycle i personally dont think you NEED it, but you could use it. thats gonna be your call based on your research of it and what you know

if you do want to use it, then with this cycle id recommend it the last few weeks of your cycle leading up to start of pct

[ROBOCOP]

CHUCKY is right,,,,you need to maintain stable bloods throughout the cycle so there is no need to up the dose.

I used to think that HCG was run between the cycle and pct but there are many that adopt the "run through the whole cycle" philosophy. I am running HCG throughout my next cycle at 250ius 3 x p/w right up till the day before pct.

Im not sure a 3 week pct is enough either. At the very least you should be considering 30 days and maybe even more.

[CHUCKYthentic]

ya ROBO, there are sooooo many opinions on the HCG deal. last cycle i did mine end of cycle up to start of pct and recovered GREAT! i was shut down pretty hard due to the length of my cycle and the tren a

i too am gonna run it throughout next go around

ditto on the pct, 4 weeks... can keep the doses low if you please

[chuckt12345]

250mg is fine for first cycle, but if you want to go to 375 then no problem,, just try to split it up bi weekly
i wouldnt worry about HCG for this cycle unless of course you already have it

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[ROBOCOP]

We dont discuss prices mate

[chuckt12345]

u dont need adex in your pct,, in fact at 250mg a week you shouldnt need it on cycle. its used to keep some sides down bloating, etc.
enthanate can be taken once a week so just keep doin what your doin. More than likely your gonna stop gaining soon though if you already put on 12 lbs

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[ROBOCOP]

You can do all your research on this site. Its fine to check out other sites but dont confuse yourself. Most guys here really know what they are talking about and it is after all a bit of trial and error. The thing is its reducing the severity of the error you should be concerned about and thats why you should read a bit more on this site. Check out the pct threads and come back with a 30 pct plan based on what you read. It may sound harsh and you will always need questions answering but its in your best interest to research

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kk m8

[chuckt12345]

You can do all your research on this site. Its fine to check out other sites but dont confuse yourself. Most guys here really know what they are talking about and it is after all a bit of trial and error. The thing is its reducing the severity of the error you should be concerned about and thats why you should read a bit more on this site. Check out the pct threads and come back with a 30 pct plan based on what you read. It may sound harsh and you will always need questions answering but its in your best interest to research

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better to learn it than be told and forgotten

[CHUCKYthentic]

well i can see chuckt12345's reasoning for not needing an AI in pct if you are gonna stay on that low of a dose

you should be fine with nolvadex and clomid for pct

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[CHUCKYthentic]

here is my pct

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
(i run AI on cycle)

most important thing is finding what works for you. since it is your 1st cycle it is hard to guage that

considering your cycle is very mild, IMO you should recover fine with the following

clomid 50/50/50/50 or 25 (see how u are feeling this last week)
nolva 20/20/20/20

*take before bed to eliminate the sides from clomid ie blurred vision or headache

[chuckt12345]

that light of cycle you prb do
40/20/20/20
50/50/25/25

i personally have sides from clomid at high doses so i never do a 100 but if you want to be safer you can bump them up for first week

[CHUCKYthentic]

yup that one looks good too chuckt12345

[chuckt12345]

yup that one looks good too chuckt12345

yea your post beat me to it

[CHUCKYthentic]

im typin pretty fast today cuz im jammin some gangsta rap LOL

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[CHUCKYthentic]

na man not a pain at all

there are def some that are a HUGE pain though, mostly the ignorant ones

good luck rest of the way out bro

[chuckt12345]

LOL not sure if you are both called chuck but thanks chuck and chuck, this is good info for me.
so thanks alot

I hope you dont see me as a pain but its nice to hear a similar pct plan from 2 people rather than 50 different ones on the net that probably wudnt be relevant to my low dosed cycle.

ill get a box of clomid 2moz and pass on the HCG for this cycle.

weight is up from 178 to 190 after 19 days and will keep you posted on the gains

so far i dont see whypeople think you must do 500mg a wk for your first cycle, i feel great my weight is up alot already and my lifts have gone up a huge amount (squat from 140kg for 5 to 140 for 9 reps.

diffrent things work for diffrent people thats usually why you hear 100 diffrent ways. Thing thats good about this board is it trys to promote protocols that work best for the average person. Good luck with your cycle.