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[Hermogenes]

I am 38yo 185 8% bf

Last summer I did my first test cycle at
1-12 Test E 500mg/w
2-12 5ooiu HCG
8-16 Tbol 40 up to 100g daily

at some point I was at 12%bf and 204 but not happy with my look.

Anyways PCT is happening now and off course I am thinking about the next cycle, as I am not happy with the results that I got (my own fault) that I blame in lack of knowledge and experience to determine a clear plan and follow it.

I intend to restart shooting in the 1st week of June, my goals is to get maximal strength at a minimal weight gain as I like being lean.

I was thinking about using Test prop, Masteron and Var at the same time but doing a longer cycle.

1-16 test prop 100 EOD
1 - 6 100mg Var daily
5-16 mast 100 EOD
11-16 60 mg var daily
2 weeks later start PCT

Questions and comments are appreciated.

[CHUCKYthentic]

why exactly are u disappointed with your last cycle? where is it u messed up?

[Hermogenes]

I don't believe that I put as much muscle mass as I could due to injury and lack of a clear plan to follow.

I believe that I have lost too much muscle already.

My plan was to start around 190 at 11%bf and finish at 195 at 6% right now I am 185 at 8%.

I can't say that it was a complete waste as I look much better, am stronger and and look more muscular. I just believe that my results where subpar and if I want o do it again I have to research even more and have a set schedule that I must follow with precision.

[CHUCKYthentic]

well maybe u need to take a look at your diet and/or training

an injury can def have a negative effect too

as for the cycle, id stick to just prop and anavar

prop 100mg EOD is fine
var i think running 60-80mg would be alright

most importantly u need to shorten that cycle. prop for 16 weeks can be rough. if u go with a longer ester then 16 is fine. id shoot for 10 weeks with the prop

pct starts 3 days after last prop inject, not 2 weeks.

what do you have planned for pct?

[Hermogenes]

well maybe u need to take a look at your diet and/or training

an injury can def have a negative effect too

as for the cycle, id stick to just prop and anavar

prop 100mg EOD is fine
var i think running 60-80mg would be alright

most importantly u need to shorten that cycle. prop for 16 weeks can be rough. if u go with a longer ester then 16 is fine. id shoot for 10 weeks with the prop

pct starts 3 days after last prop inject, not 2 weeks.

what do you have planned for pct?

I though about 16 weeks because i have seen in a few treads people agreeing that less during a longer period can be easier to retain. Thanks for the info on prop that makes me consider test e as a possibility.

I want to use an oral to "quick start" the cycle and not want to wait 4 weeks for the full effects of the test, for sure I want to use var at the end to maximize the cycle.

PCT would be clomid/ Nolva 100/40 50/20 50/20 50/20 (still have to research in order to get to any conclusion.

Thanks

[in2shape]

I am 38yo 185 8% bf

Last summer I did my first test cycle at
1-12 Test E 500mg/w
2-12 5ooiu HCG
8-16 Tbol 40 up to 100g daily

at some point I was at 12%bf and 204 but not happy with my look.

Anyways PCT is happening now and off course I am thinking about the next cycle, as I am not happy with the results that I got (my own fault) that I blame in lack of knowledge and experience to determine a clear plan and follow it.

I intend to restart shooting in the 1st week of June, my goals is to get maximal strength at a minimal weight gain as I like being lean.

I was thinking about using Test prop, Masteron and Var at the same time but doing a longer cycle.

1-16 test prop 100 EOD
1 - 6 100mg Var daily
5-16 mast 100 EOD
11-16 60 mg var daily
2 weeks later start PCT

Questions and comments are appreciated.

that prob is gunna get old real qick especially 16 weeks ... id geo var and prop 8 weks for both

1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-8 var 50+ mg/ed var is a very mild steriod liverwise hepatoxicity, if u dont like the 8 weeks (also costly) run for 5-6 just start it in week 2-3 etc

or run test e/c 10 weeks and var from week 6-12 which takes u str8 into pct
e.g.
1-10 test e/c 500mgs/ew
6/7-12 var 50+mgs ed

3 days after last tab pct starts

nolva 20/20/20/10/10 clomid 150/100/50/50 and if u can still get hcg 2 x 250 ius weekly from 2 ill 10 , dont use in pct

[Hermogenes]

that prob is gunna get old real qick especially 16 weeks ... id geo var and prop 8 weks for both

1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-8 var 50+ mg/ed var is a very mild steriod liverwise hepatoxicity, if u dont like the 8 weeks (also costly) run for 5-6 just start it in week 2-3 etc

or run test e/c 10 weeks and var from week 6-12 which takes u str8 into pct
e.g.
1-10 test e/c 500mgs/ew
6/7-12 var 50+mgs ed

3 days after last tab pct starts

nolva 20/20/20/10/10 clomid 150/100/50/50 and if u can still get hcg 2 x 250 ius weekly from 2 ill 10 , dont use in pct

Thanks

H