Advice needed.

[MyFirstTime]

Hey guys, I need some advice on my first attempt with steroids. I've got 1500 mg's of Dianabol Naposim, 300 x 5mg pills. I just need some direction on how much I should use and how long a cycle I should be on this for. Also any ideas on whether I should take an anti-estrogen or anything else with the Dbol. I was thinking 30 mg's per day, all at once, 2 hours before the workout at night time, on a 50-day cycle. I figure that 30 mg's a day is 6 pills, which in turn to use the 300 pills will take 50 days.
I'm a small builded 18 year old.
I'm 6'2 3/4
I weight 180 lbs
My bodies built as a skinny person and I want to bulk up so I figure this is the best way. I don't want any opinions on what I'm doing, strictly advice on how to do it.

[dec11]

you dont take dbol on its own, you need test with it. post up your age and training experience

[CHUCKYthentic]

hes 18

[CHUCKYthentic]

OP you do not need steroids, you are entirely too young. along with not knowing enough about them

[dec11]

hes 18

oh dear, another lol.

[Surrender2Me]

I'm new too this too. But even I would say...Do more research.

If your going to run Dbol.. Run it with test. Only run Dbol for 4-5 weeks as a kickstart, while you wait for the test to really peak.

Your too young.

Im sure others will comment and give you additional advice.

[dec11]

OP ive done a dbol only cycle, waste of time, money and effort. ur full of nat test at your age, go for creatine and a good diet

[Surrender2Me]

same, dbol only cycles are almost pointless... should have listened to EVERYONE. would of saved me money

[TITANIUM]

Eat right, train hard, research alot.

By the time you hit 25 years of age, you'll be ready.

Best

T

[Big]

I don't want any opinions on what I'm doing, strictly advice on how to do it.

good luck with that, they go hand in hand

[MyFirstTime]

you dont take dbol on its own, you need test with it. post up your age and training experience

Come on give me some more info than that. I need test with it, for what? How and when would I take it?
How much of my gains will I lose after the cycle's over? Being my first cycle would I likely keep atleast 50% of the gains from a dbol only cycle?

I'm just searching for answers right now but... being so skinny and young, how can steroids not have the biggest effect on someone like me as opposed to someone who's already jacked?

[Big]

I'm just searching for answers right now but... being so skinny and young, how can steroids not have the biggest effect on someone like me as opposed to someone who's already jacked?

because you already have loads of natural test flowing through your system at your age, if you're skinny it's because your diet and/or training sucks, and steroids won't fix that.

[Kibble]

Natural gains in LBM are permenant, as long as you keep training. Therefore, you are forming a "Base" to work off of.

[dec11]

Come on give me some more info than that. I need test with it, for what? How and when would I take it?
How much of my gains will I lose after the cycle's over? Being my first cycle would I likely keep atleast 50% of the gains from a dbol only cycle?

I'm just searching for answers right now but... being so skinny and young, how can steroids not have the biggest effect on someone like me as opposed to someone who's already jacked?

look above and see the advice i gave you on creatine, you havent even scraped the surface of weight training, you taking gear is like strapping a turbo to a shopping cart, it just wont work. you need a solid foundation of training behind you, at least 5 hard years.

[CHUCKYthentic]

im not touching this with a 20ft pole, ive dealt with as much as i can handle in terms of this for the week. sorry OP

[Big]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

[MyFirstTime]

because you already have loads of natural test flowing through your system at your age, if you're skinny it's because your diet and/or training sucks, and steroids won't fix that.

Well you know more about it than me so I can't really argue with you... I can say however say I most likely will take the steroids, even if it isn't permanent; maybe it'll give me a short term inspiration on what I CAN look like which will in turn cause me to work harder and 'legit'..

I suppose I'm skinny because my diet sucks, but it's hard to believe. I eat breakfast everyday (cereal, milk in the morning). for lunch usually a sandwich or two, grapes, lemonade, cookies and some snacks. Then dinners seem alright, usually a full plate of different thing each day. (days include: potatoes, broccoli, steak. Or sometimes just a cheeseburger. Sometimes stew on top of mashed potatoes. And also sometimes just pasta). What can I improve on in my diet? I'm looking at changing it sometime soon so please, any recommendation will help. I don't know enough about what I should be eating in the mornings, lunch and for dinner. I don't know anything about how many calories per meal I should be eating, when I should be eating carbs, etc..

Anyhow I suppose this is the most relevant question... Will it be ENTIRELY useless doing what I previously said? In other words will I not gain any weight and/or muscle by using the dbol? Also, what should I be taking during/after the cycle. Presumably things that I can get over the counter -- such as anti-estrogens?

[Kibble]

Well you know more about it than me so I can't really argue with you... I can say however say I most likely will take the steroids, even if it isn't permanent; maybe it'll give me a short term inspiration on what I CAN look like which will in turn cause me to work harder and 'legit'..

I suppose I'm skinny because my diet sucks, but it's hard to believe. I eat breakfast everyday (cereal, milk in the morning). for lunch usually a sandwich or two, grapes, lemonade, cookies and some snacks. Then dinners seem alright, usually a full plate of different thing each day. (days include: potatoes, broccoli, steak. Or sometimes just a cheeseburger. Sometimes stew on top of mashed potatoes. And also sometimes just pasta). What can I improve on in my diet? I'm looking at changing it sometime soon so please, any recommendation will help. I don't know enough about what I should be eating in the mornings, lunch and for dinner. I don't know anything about how many calories per meal I should be eating, when I should be eating carbs, etc..

Anyhow I suppose this is the most relevant question... Will it be ENTIRELY useless doing what I previously said? In other words will I not gain any weight and/or muscle by using the dbol? Also, what should I be taking during/after the cycle. Presumably things that I can get over the counter -- such as anti-estrogens?

I am no expert on diet, but that sounds like a middle-schoolers diet. Definately not an anabolic diet. The diet section has tons of diets posted, with critiques added. If you are going to run aas, and look for otc pct and estro blockers, then I.... well I give up

[Big]

I suppose I'm skinny because my diet sucks, but it's hard to believe. I eat breakfast everyday (cereal, milk in the morning). for lunch usually a sandwich or two, grapes, lemonade, cookies and some snacks. Then dinners seem alright, usually a full plate of different thing each day. (days include: potatoes, broccoli, steak. Or sometimes just a cheeseburger. Sometimes stew on top of mashed potatoes. And also sometimes just pasta). What can I improve on in my diet? I'm looking at changing it sometime soon so please, any recommendation will help. I don't know enough about what I should be eating in the mornings, lunch and for dinner. I don't know anything about how many calories per meal I should be eating, when I should be eating carbs, etc..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

[dec11]

if it helps, when i was your age i weighed around 8st, i joined a back street gym and the owner was a powerlifter who despised steroids, so looking back now, happy days, i had to do and achieve all i did naturally and healthly. thts 16yrs ago, i reached 15st naturally with diet, creatine, hmb , glutamine etc. id be happy if you took tht on board

[PO OFFICER]

Okay so your saying that your going to do steroids. Alright I'm not going to give you the lecture about how your to young.

1. Dbol isn't to be taken on its own. You need to have test with it. http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

2. The half life of dbol is kinda short so you don't take it all at once. In you're case, I'd recommend taking 10mgs at b'fast, lunch, and dinner. http://www.steroid.com/halflife.php

3. You said your skinny, right? Well that's because of your diet and/or exercise. If you haven't been working out AT LEAST 3 months (really, it should be 2 years) then don't take steroids. Here is the diet and workout link, it's pretty good for starters.
DIET: http://www.steroid.com/diet.php WORKOUT: http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

4. And now, you have the PCT (Post cycle therapy). Dbol is the best/worst steroid out there, being as it gives you the most strength/weight, but the side effects suck! I'm still learning everything about pct's, but for your case I'd get I would use clomid + nolvadex.
nolvadex (weeks 1 - 3) @ 20mg each day
clomid (week 1) @ 75mg ED
clomid (week 2 - 3) @ 25-50mg ED

If you have any questions just ask me.

Best luck - PO

[Kibble]

Okay so your saying that your going to do steroids. Alright I'm not going to give you the lecture about how your to young.

1. Dbol isn't to be taken on its own. You need to have test with it.

2. The half life of dbol is kinda short so you don't take it all at once. In you're case, I'd recommend taking 10mgs at b'fast, lunch, and dinner. http://www.steroid.com/halflife.php

3. You said your skinny, right? Well that's because of your diet and/or exercise. If you haven't been working out AT LEAST 3 months (really, it should be 2 years) then don't take steroids. Here is the diet and workout link, it's pretty good for starters.
DIET: http://www.steroid.com/diet.php WORKOUT: http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

4. And now, you have the PCT (Post cycle therapy). Dbol is the best/worst steroid out there, being as it gives you the most strength/weight, but the side effects suck! I'm still learning everything about pct's, but for your case I'd get I would use clomid + nolvadex.

nolvadex (weeks 1 - 3) @ 20mg each day
clomid (week 1) @ 75mg ED
clomid (week 2 - 3) @ 25-50mg ED

If you have any questions just ask me.

Best luck - PO

Good advice, except for the bold. I think that if you are working out for 3 months, then you are just getting into the game. And if you stop growing in 3 months, then your training/diet is off. Other than that, everything looks good to me

[CHUCKYthentic]

PO officer

you do realize this kid is only 18 right? and now u just gave him another gateway/reason to run a potentially detrimental cycle. great job

[MyFirstTime]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

alright, I like that thread, but I suppose it's extremely hard to diet when you eat with a family at dinner? and especially when I don't know how to cook.

and motorhead, that's admirable. I will continue to improve my diet obviously, and I think I'll start using creatine for most of the time. Can you buy creatine at GNC for example, as in stuff like NO Xplode, or what's your best suggestion for creatine? For myself, the steroids are just an experiment, I'm interested to see how they'll affect me but I basically want to do it in the safest way possible, which is why I need your advice.

[dec11]

Okay so your saying that your going to do steroids. Alright I'm not going to give you the lecture about how your to young.

1. Dbol isn't to be taken on its own. You need to have test with it. http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

2. The half life of dbol is kinda short so you don't take it all at once. In you're case, I'd recommend taking 10mgs at b'fast, lunch, and dinner. http://www.steroid.com/halflife.php

3. You said your skinny, right? Well that's because of your diet and/or exercise. If you haven't been working out AT LEAST 3 months (really, it should be 2 years) then don't take steroids. Here is the diet and workout link, it's pretty good for starters.
DIET: http://www.steroid.com/diet.php WORKOUT: http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

4. And now, you have the PCT (Post cycle therapy). Dbol is the best/worst steroid out there, being as it gives you the most strength/weight, but the side effects suck! I'm still learning everything about pct's, but for your case I'd get I would use clomid + nolvadex.
nolvadex (weeks 1 - 3) @ 20mg each day
clomid (week 1) @ 75mg ED
clomid (week 2 - 3) @ 25-50mg ED

If you have any questions just ask me.

Best luck - PO

if you have any sense, dont ask him

[Kibble]

alright, I like that thread, but I suppose it's extremely hard to diet when you eat with a family at dinner? and especially when I don't know how to cook.

and motorhead, that's admirable. I will continue to improve my diet obviously, and I think I'll start using creatine for most of the time. Can you buy creatine at GNC for example, as in stuff like NO Xplode, or what's your best suggestion for creatine? For myself, the steroids are just an experiment, I'm interested to see how they'll affect me but I basically want to do it in the safest way possible, which is why I need your advice.

Sometimes I think some of the 18 year olds are a little younger

[CHUCKYthentic]

learn how to cook or tell your parents that you re interested in bulkin up so they can buy u more food. then learn how to cook! or get a job and buy your own food

as for supps, theres a great supp sponsor on this site. discount supps. do reasearch though. dont go buy some more BS compounds that are gonna hurt u. creatine is ok

please let us know if you re still gonna use AAS at anytime. most of all, dont for at least 7 more years

[MyFirstTime]

Sometimes I think some of the 18 year olds are a little younger

Come on man, how was that a useful post in ANY way? Maybe instead of leaving negative comments about me you should be trying to give me information on how I can improve my ideas/what i'm doing.

[CHUCKYthentic]

hes just bustin your peanuts bud, dont take it personal

[dec11]

alright, I like that thread, but I suppose it's extremely hard to diet when you eat with a family at dinner? and especially when I don't know how to cook.

and motorhead, that's admirable. I will continue to improve my diet obviously, and I think I'll start using creatine for most of the time. Can you buy creatine at GNC for example, as in stuff like NO Xplode, or what's your best suggestion for creatine? For myself, the steroids are just an experiment, I'm interested to see how they'll affect me but I basically want to do it in the safest way possible, which is why I need your advice.

well advice is, dont do roids, too young!! NO explode and the likes are bollocks, best creatines ive had are either Reflex (uk) or gaspapari size on. HMB will benefit you for a year or so, month on month off. but most important, buy a scientific sports nutrition book, it'll be worth its weight in gold, avoid any body building endorsed crap

[PO OFFICER]

if you have any sense, dont ask him

Really?

[Kibble]

MyFirstTime.... the instant that you correct your diet/training/rest routine, you will start growing. Just give that a try. You will be suprised how easy it is to grow. Get your staple supplemtents )fish oil, multi-v, whey and creatine). With those you can grow great. Please just give it a try before you use the aas. You have about 50 years ahead of you to cycle, so no need to dive into it right now. You are already weight training at a young age, which puts you ahead of people like myself... who didn't even start until the age of 22.

[MyFirstTime]

well advice is, dont do roids, too young!! NO explode and the likes are bollocks, best creatines ive had are either Reflex (uk) or gaspapari size on. HMB will benefit you for a year or so, month on month off. but most important, buy a scientific sports nutrition book, it'll be worth its weight in gold, avoid any body building endorsed crap

I'll take your word for it, but why is NO Xplode garbage? Thanks for the advice on the book, it's something I'm finding out that I need to know more and more about...

I still don't know about the dbol because I've already spent the money on it... You guys are making me cautious, but I still want to try it. Being completely fair and honest; how bad can one cycle of it truly be for me?

[PO OFFICER]

MyFirstTime.... the instant that you correct your diet/training/rest routine, you will start growing. Just give that a try. You will be suprised how easy it is to grow. Get your staple supplemtents )fish oil, multi-v, whey and creatine). With those you can grow great. Please just give it a try before you use the aas. You have about 50 years ahead of you to cycle, so no need to dive into it right now. You are already weight training at a young age, which puts you ahead of people like myself... who didn't even start until the age of 22.

I concur

Like he said, its easier to grow than you think. Since you're only 18, it wouldn't be recommended at all that you do steroids. You be on hrt for the rest of you're life

[dec11]

Really?

oh yes, really. u may at least want to revise your pct methods 1st, neva mind the stupid advice to a youngster

[Kibble]

I am sure you have read it before... the damage to your endocrine system. A developing system that needs no alterations. Just because you spent money on dbol does not mean you have to use it. I actually bought cell-tech last year, and I still have it sealed and don't plan on ever using it

[MyFirstTime]

MyFirstTime.... the instant that you correct your diet/training/rest routine, you will start growing. Just give that a try. You will be suprised how easy it is to grow. Get your staple supplemtents )fish oil, multi-v, whey and creatine). With those you can grow great. Please just give it a try before you use the aas. You have about 50 years ahead of you to cycle, so no need to dive into it right now. You are already weight training at a young age, which puts you ahead of people like myself... who didn't even start until the age of 22.

Am I just essentially eating more of everything for a diet where I want to gain weight and mass? Stuff like eggs and a protein shake in the morning, i'm not sure what at lunch, and steak and stuff at lunch? Honestly if I can get some ideas for great breakfast lunches and dinners I'll probably just do that everyday, providing it's food i like

[dec11]

I'll take your word for it, but why is NO Xplode garbage? Thanks for the advice on the book, it's something I'm finding out that I need to know more and more about...

I still don't know about the dbol because I've already spent the money on it... You guys are making me cautious, but I still want to try it. Being completely fair and honest; how bad can one cycle of it truly be for me?

NO is sugary garbage and longterm, believe it or not, it aint good for mr woody. creatine, hmb and glutamine is what u want, ignore the rest of the crap. use protein shakes sparingly, try and get your protein through foods

[PO OFFICER]

PO officer

you do realize this kid is only 18 right? and now u just gave him another gateway/reason to run a potentially detrimental cycle. great job

The thing is, you shouldn't take roids until your 25ish. I try telling people all the time that, but they just don't listen. So I think its better if you give him advice on how not to kill himself then for you just to say "don't do it" because 80% of the time, they ignore you. And I'm getting REALLY sick of me trying to help people but just getting shit back for it.

[PO OFFICER]

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