On for 12 week considering 12 more!

[Alfamale]

Hello.

My stats:
30 years
5 AAS cycles
240 pounds
6"2
Bf 15%
Fighter


Ive been on for almost 12 weeks now. Im injecting 100 mg test p and 75 mg mast p eod. 9 month ago i had a massive knee surgery. I probably started my cycle little bit to soon, gained little bit to much weight to fast and my knee dident like it. So my first 7 weeks wasent perfect, to say atleast... I trained good but it was mostly weight training, in begining traditional weigt training and rehab for my knee and after that more explosive and complex training ( 4-7 exersises(sets) whit 10-15 reps in a row and 1-2 minutes after that).
Ive gained 16 pounds but i couldent train what i need most for my sport..
So now im thinking of extend for 12 more weeks. My health is fine and my knee is feeling great. Should i do pct and wait for couple of weeks or should i keep on goin? If i do i will change aas componds.

[CHUCKYthentic]

so you re looking to run a 24 week cycle?

what are your reasons for this?

off the bat, i recommend u do your pct, wait 16+ weeks or so after that, then consider cycling again. blood work would be great too

[Alfamale]

I cant wait for 16 weeks beause im goin to fight in about 16 weeks. And my reasons are that i dont have so many years of fighting left and i want ofcourse get a headstart of my competition.

[CHUCKYthentic]

well i mean i hope u understand the potential consequences to being on that long. also you ll need a very aggressive pct and as important u REALLY should implement some HCG while you re on to keep yourself somewhat "functional" if you will

as for how u can go about this compound, dosage wise there are a lot of options

what would be your proposed cycle with this?

[Alfamale]

Im awere of the consequenses. If i deside to continiue i will take HCG now, 500 iu for ten days and also midcycle for ten days.

I got some halo and winny for free but halo seems like a bad idea if im goin to extend and for its detectiontime and winny because of its water retention properties.

So i will probably go like this:

Test p 150 mg eod
Anavar 50 mg/day for 6 weeks or d-bol 20 mg/day for 4 weeks

or

Test p 150 eod
Trenbolone hexa( Parabolan ) 30 mg eod

I never tried d-bol so i dont know how it would affect my stamina.

Im done 10 mgs/day of nolva and thinking of goin up to 20mg/day, if i go whit parabolan i will put some letro also.

[CHUCKYthentic]

ok a lot of info i disagree/have a diff view on....

dont do hcg 10 days straight, read this thread, great info on hcg...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=406839

so basically what you re saying is you re gonna stay on test p and throw a few other compounds into the mix correct?

i WOULD NOT use letro on cycle, can inhibit 98% of your estrogen, u dont want that. that is too much, we need some. adex would be the answer here.

as for nolva alongside tren , a lot of arguments whether or not it is safe. i say dont find out, and just use an AI like adex instead of nolva. have a prolactin antagonist on hand if u use the tren and dont use the tren for too long

i couldnt imagine using test p for 24 weeks WAY too much pinning for me. u could switch to a longer ester and run that in the middle say for like week 13-22 then switch back to the prop so your system will be cleared fast and u can jump straight into your pct

could also cruise for a few weeks on a low dose, longer estered test

IF you do go with a longer ester though, you ll still need to stack the prop with it for 4 weeks unitl you reach the optimal levels with the long ester

dude there are just sooooo many options here if u absolutely HAVE to do this

ultimitely you re gonna have to just make the choice here and whatever is gonna benefit u. take your health into consideration number 1 though please. im just making suggestions, dont take what i say as your only options

...i know i just rambled a lot LOL...

[CHUCKYthentic]

oh and also, tren will def effect your stamina. might not want to use that since u fight. just one of the many reasons why u need to consider not using tren...

as for dbol , i dont think itll hurt stamina

[Alfamale]

Ive done tren hex before and for me in that dose it dosent affect my stamina.

[Dont wanna be old]

The longer the cycle the longer the PCT and time off required .

Don't push the length . The mental part is haunting you with a 12 week decision , How tough of call will 24 weeks be ?

You look to be a heavy weight . So why take mast p ? Aggression ? I believe this is reason you wanna continue .

To offset the strength decrease , Train differently to where your not seeing overall strength but stamina . Try hammer strength machines , dumbells vs barbells . Check out the stupid Bosa ball rountines that deal in core strength .
( hardest exercises I've done ).

Your knee would like you to run some Deca .

Just a few ideas to look over .


Good luck and keep the chin tucked !

[Alfamale]

I took mast p mostly of the short detectiontime and i would like to take deca but 18 month detectiontime makes it impossible. As far as aggresion goes its not problem for me never was, im a very calm fighter. So for the mental part its not why im on. I want to continiue strictly to gain little more weight and get more explosive. If i hadent "miss" the first 7 weeks of my cycle i wouldent considering continiue but now i want to get where is was before my surgery.

[SilverTest]

dont be so scared of long cycles , i personally done that , been on for 8 months , came off and did pct normally for 6 weeks , and i am feeling great today actually 1 week after my pct is over .

its not that you cannot recover , but there is a chance that :

it MAY or may not take a while to recover , nobody knows for sure you have to try yourself and take the consequences .

OR you might be one of those REALLY unlucky that get screwed real bad from long cycles.

you have to test these for yourself to know , unfortunetly.

your call bro, i just wanted to tell you that i recovered good after being on for long, maybe you wont , maybe you will....test yourself.

by the way , yes try to incorporate hcg at low doses through it will help A LOT with the recovery . I actually did not use it

during the 8 months but did use it in pct and i am more than fine. But i know that if i used it during the 8 months it

would've made my recovery even easier.

[nilrac]

ok a lot of info i disagree/have a diff view on....

dont do hcg 10 days straight, read this thread, great info on hcg...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=406839

so basically what you re saying is you re gonna stay on test p and throw a few other compounds into the mix correct?

i WOULD NOT use letro on cycle, can inhibit 98% of your estrogen, u dont want that. that is too much, we need some. adex would be the answer here.

as for nolva alongside tren , a lot of arguments whether or not it is safe. i say dont find out, and just use an AI like adex instead of nolva. have a prolactin antagonist on hand if u use the tren and dont use the tren for too long

i couldnt imagine using test p for 24 weeks WAY too much pinning for me. u could switch to a longer ester and run that in the middle say for like week 13-22 then switch back to the prop so your system will be cleared fast and u can jump straight into your pct

could also cruise for a few weeks on a low dose, longer estered test

IF you do go with a longer ester though, you ll still need to stack the prop with it for 4 weeks unitl you reach the optimal levels with the long ester

dude there are just sooooo many options here if u absolutely HAVE to do this

ultimitely you re gonna have to just make the choice here and whatever is gonna benefit u. take your health into consideration number 1 though please. im just making suggestions, dont take what i say as your only options

...i know i just rambled a lot LOL...

Are you talking Vitamin B6 as an example?

[millionairemurph]

you dont have to be "on" to fight. I prefer to be 6-8 weeks post cycle maybe even 10 or more. Look into periodization of training, get your explosiveness by training for it. MOst AAS lowers my stamina, if i am bulking my stamina is low (regardless of amount of cardio).

If i was you, i'd go off, do a full 4-6 week pct, and if you are that concerned with being back on asap, get blood work done to determine if you can go back on. A cycle i would recomend for fighters would be

150 mg prop per week
eq or mast at as little as 400 ( i've used more) a week
Halo starting 3-4 weeks out from fight time at 50-100mg a day

even if you started 4 weeks out from the fight, you will have plenty of extra kick from this cycle.

Halo will make you very explosive. I am your same size, but i cut to 206. Halo and or mast willo help tremondously with this. From the way your post reads it seems that you will not cut?

[Alfamale]

you dont have to be "on" to fight. I prefer to be 6-8 weeks post cycle maybe even 10 or more. Look into periodization of training, get your explosiveness by training for it. MOst AAS lowers my stamina, if i am bulking my stamina is low (regardless of amount of cardio).

If i was you, i'd go off, do a full 4-6 week pct, and if you are that concerned with being back on asap, get blood work done to determine if you can go back on. A cycle i would recomend for fighters would be

150 mg prop per week
eq or mast at as little as 400 ( i've used more) a week
Halo starting 3-4 weeks out from fight time at 50-100mg a day

even if you started 4 weeks out from the fight, you will have plenty of extra kick from this cycle.

Halo will make you very explosive. I am your same size, but i cut to 206. Halo and or mast willo help tremondously with this. From the way your post reads it seems that you will not cut?

The problem is that i cant use Halo or Eq due to detectiontime. Im goin to fight 13 of mars so i dont have lots of options of AAS to use.
I am a heavy weight so i dont have to cut to 205, havent been under 205 since i was 18.
Anyway you think its better for me to do pct and then get on agian? I have time to do pct för 4 weeks and then go on again but im not sure of detection time for nolva, clomid and HCG ... Anybody have some info on that??

[Vitruvian-Man]

you dont have to be "on" to fight. I prefer to be 6-8 weeks post cycle maybe even 10 or more. Look into periodization of training, get your explosiveness by training for it. MOst AAS lowers my stamina, if i am bulking my stamina is low (regardless of amount of cardio).

If i was you, i'd go off, do a full 4-6 week pct, and if you are that concerned with being back on asap, get blood work done to determine if you can go back on. A cycle i would recomend for fighters would be

150 mg prop per week
eq or mast at as little as 400 ( i've used more) a week
Halo starting 3-4 weeks out from fight time at 50-100mg a day

even if you started 4 weeks out from the fight, you will have plenty of extra kick from this cycle.

Halo will make you very explosive. I am your same size, but i cut to 206. Halo and or mast willo help tremondously with this. From the way your post reads it seems that you will not cut?

50 - 100mg??? are you kidding me.

wow. you MMA boys are f***ing intense! lol.

I only used halo for a week, and couldn't bare the sides past 30mg.

[tripmachine]

I took mast p mostly of the short detectiontime and i would like to take deca but 18 month detectiontime makes it impossible. As far as aggresion goes its not problem for me never was, im a very calm fighter. So for the mental part its not why im on. I want to continiue strictly to gain little more weight and get more explosive. If i hadent "miss" the first 7 weeks of my cycle i wouldent considering continiue but now i want to get where is was before my surgery.

If I were you I would consider running some NPP if you are afraid of the detection times of deca .... NPP is supposed to be really great for joint relief etc.... also gets out of the system MUCH faster than deca.... read up on it and consider that....

[CHUCKYthentic]

Are you talking Vitamin B6 as an example?

b6 is known to do the trick for some

i personally used cabergoline

[hankdiesel]

you dont have to be "on" to fight. I prefer to be 6-8 weeks post cycle maybe even 10 or more. Look into periodization of training, get your explosiveness by training for it. MOst AAS lowers my stamina, if i am bulking my stamina is low (regardless of amount of cardio).

If i was you, i'd go off, do a full 4-6 week pct, and if you are that concerned with being back on asap, get blood work done to determine if you can go back on. A cycle i would recomend for fighters would be

150 mg prop per week
eq or mast at as little as 400 ( i've used more) a week
Halo starting 3-4 weeks out from fight time at 50-100mg a day

even if you started 4 weeks out from the fight, you will have plenty of extra kick from this cycle.

Halo will make you very explosive. I am your same size, but i cut to 206. Halo and or mast willo help tremondously with this. From the way your post reads it seems that you will not cut?

Explain how to take 150mg of prop a week. Do you mean eod? Doesn't eq have a long detection period? I'd love to hear a personal story from someone who took 100mg halo a day.

[millionairemurph]

The problem is that i cant use Halo or Eq due to detectiontime. Im goin to fight 13 of mars so i dont have lots of options of AAS to use.
I am a heavy weight so i dont have to cut to 205, havent been under 205 since i was 18.
Anyway you think its better for me to do pct and then get on agian? I have time to do pct för 4 weeks and then go on again but im not sure of detection time for nolva, clomid and HCG... Anybody have some info on that??

Oh, i see. When you said detection time, i was thinking like long term, not drug testing for this fight. I have zero knowledge of detection times, other than heresay, which i wouldnt risk. Stay safe in that area bro, trust your supplier.

Yeah, short cycles for me are better. I'd rather 2 10 week cycles over a 24 week cycle. I've done long, and i've done short, i stop seeing and feeling results at a certain point without upping the doses big time. But biog doses mean bad cardio for me.

[millionairemurph]

50 - 100mg??? are you kidding me.

wow. you MMA boys are f***ing intense! lol.

I only used halo for a week, and couldn't bare the sides past 30mg.

Yeah, the sides werent too bad for me. I sweated a lot more, acne, greasy skin. I did get some aggression, but i could care less about that, as i am a calm guy and dont "fight mad", its too tiring.

I did have crazy strength and explosiveness. Im just an amatuer, no competition testing for me.

[Dont wanna be old]

I took mast p mostly of the short detectiontime and i would like to take deca but 18 month detectiontime makes it impossible. As far as aggresion goes its not problem for me never was, im a very calm fighter. So for the mental part its not why im on. I want to continiue strictly to gain little more weight and get more explosive. If i hadent "miss" the first 7 weeks of my cycle i wouldent considering continiue but now i want to get where is was before my surgery.

Detection time = bummer . Didn't consider this .

If your on a count down to a meet , then extended cycle may be only answer .

Good luck . Dana White needs heavy weights !

[millionairemurph]

Explain how to take 150mg of prop a week. Do you mean eod? Doesn't eq have a long detection period? I'd love to hear a personal story from someone who took 100mg halo a day.

No, 150 a week. Thats my prefered dose of test prop actually. I get bad acne and bloat from test, and as i mentioned earlier, when i bulk or have high AAS doses, i lose conditioning. 150 is an hrt dose. Its all you need to not have sides associated with zero test. I actually am very horny and feel great with this dose.

You can make 150 an way you want.

25mg 6 days a week
50 mg 3x a week ( like i do)
or any other combo. prop, imo, is fine to be shot anywhere between 3-7 times a week. If i am shooting tren ace ed, i"ll have my prop at 25mg and shoot it ed too.

[millionairemurph]

There are also place you can get bold ace. EQ with an acetate ester. Dont know about detection times though. I would imaguine the shorter the ester, the shorter the detection time.

[Alfamale]

If I were you I would consider running some NPP if you are afraid of the detection times of deca.... NPP is supposed to be really great for joint relief etc.... also gets out of the system MUCH faster than deca.... read up on it and consider that....

NPP would be perfect but it have to long detectiontime also..

[Alfamale]

There are also place you can get bold ace. EQ with an acetate ester. Dont know about detection times though. I would imaguine the shorter the ester, the shorter the detection time.

Bold Ace could be it, but i cant find any good info on detectiontime...

[CHUCKYthentic]

If I were you I would consider running some NPP if you are afraid of the detection times of deca.... NPP is supposed to be really great for joint relief etc.... also gets out of the system MUCH faster than deca.... read up on it and consider that....

actually the detection time is still quite long, up to 12 months

its active life with the pheynlpropinate ester allows its active life to be shorter, about 72 hours

[Alfamale]

Thank you All for your inputs! Im goin to see my Doc tomorrow and check my blood, bloodpressure etc and after that ill make up my mind. Can be a good idea to have his opinion to...

[CHUCKYthentic]

def a good idea man, keep us posted

[higherdesire]

The longer the cycle the longer the PCT and time off required .

Don't push the length . The mental part is haunting you with a 12 week decision , How tough of call will 24 weeks be ?

You look to be a heavy weight . So why take mast p ? Aggression ? I believe this is reason you wanna continue .

To offset the strength decrease , Train differently to where your not seeing overall strength but stamina . Try hammer strength machines , dumbells vs barbells . Check out the stupid Bosa ball rountines that deal in core strength .
( hardest exercises I've done ).

Your knee would like you to run some Deca .

Just a few ideas to look over .


Good luck and keep the chin tucked !

Probably true but do you get tested in your league? deca is detectable for a very long time isn't it? Like 6 months?

[higherdesire]

Sorry for the duplicate info. Should really read everything before posting.

[El Corvino]

your 240 at 15%... why are you trying to get so big with all these bulkers? All of the MMA fighters and instructors that I roll with take anavar and try to stay shredded. In fact... my best buddy tried to shrink so he could be agile... said he was too big to fight efficiently. Sounds like your street fighting and going for intimidation.