Check this noob cycle

[LeroyB]

Just making sure I have this 100%. Thanks.

01 - test e (morning) 250mg / dbol 40mg
02 - dbol 40mg
03 - dbol 40mg
04 - test e (evening) / dbol 40mg
05 - nothing
06 - nothing
07 - nothing
WEEK 01
01 - test e 250mg (evening)
02 - nothing
03 - nothing
04 - nothing
05 - test e 250mg (morning)
06 - nothing
07 - nothing
WEEK 02
01 - test e 250mg (morning)
02 - nothing
03 - nothing
04 - nothing
05 - test e 250mg (evening)
06 - nothing
07 - nothing
WEEK 03
WEEKS 04 - 12 same as 2/3 alternating
WEEK 13 and 14 = nothing
WEEK 15 - 18 as below
01 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
02 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
03 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
04 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
05 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
06 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
07 L-Dex .25mg / 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

[LeroyB]

bump

[sigman roid]

stats first
Age
weight
height
bf%

[LeroyB]

stats first
Age - 34
weight - 210
height - 5'11''
bf% - 15%

[sigman roid]

How long are you running the dbol for is it 4 weeks or 4 days?

[G4R]

According to what it says.... Dbol for only 4 days?

Out of curiosity, where did you come with that from?

[LeroyB]

constructed it form the newbie guide on here, just laid it all out including PCT.
Just want to make sure I have it right.
Yea Dbol 4 days only.

[G4R]

hmmmmm........ if this is your first cycle, then drop the Dbol. You need to find out how your body is going to react to the Test before you start trying to run any other compounds. As far as Dbol for only 4 days, complete waste IMHO.

What are you goals?

[sigman roid]

I would run dbol for 4 weeks at 40 mg aday, and test e or c 400-500 mg a week split in to 2 shots every 3.5 days
i would leave the L-dex and run pct like this
nolva
40/20/20/20
clomid
100/50/50/50

[LeroyB]

I got my plan from here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

nolva
40/20/20/20
clomid
100/50/50/50

How does that work.

[sigman roid]

week 1 40mg nolva 100 mg clomid per day
week 2 20mg nolva 50 mg clomid per day
week 3 and 4 same as week 2

[LeroyB]

week 1 40mg nolva 100 mg clomid per day
week 2 20mg nolva 50 mg clomid per day
week 3 and 4 same as week 2

Ok -
So in summary drop the Dbol and then reduce the PCT.

[sigman roid]

Yes reduce pct and save the dbol for another time as g4r said as its your first cycle keep it simple

[LeroyB]

New Program below - This is what you suggest right:

DAY - 01 - test e 250mg (morning) 
02 - nothing
03 - nothing
04 - test e 250mg (evening)
05 - nothing
06 - nothing
07 - nothing
END WEEK 01
01 - test e 250mg (evening)
02 - nothing
03 - nothing
04 - nothing
05 - test e 250mg (morning)
06 - nothing
07 - nothing
END WEEK 02
WEEKS 03 - 12 same as 1/2 alternating
WEEKS 13 and 14 = nothing
WEEKS 15 - EVERY DAY - 100mg  Clomid / 40mg  Nolva
WEEKS 16,17,and 18 - EVERY DAY - 50mg  Clomid / 20mg  Nolva

Thanks!

[sigman roid]

No problem bro

[DmacsNumeroUno]

week 1 40mg nolva 100 mg clomid per day
week 2 20mg nolva 50 mg clomid per day
week 3 and 4 same as week 2

I'm about to run almost the same cycle, although I will be doing Test E wks 1-12 & D-Bol wks 1-4. Would you recommend the same pct for this?

[sigman roid]

I'm about to run almost the same cycle, although I will be doing Test E wks 1-12 & D-Bol wks 1-4. Would you recommend the same pct for this?

yep.

[LeroyB]

Comments from another post suggest:

It's possible to recover without the HCG in a cycle as such but this is person specific and I prefer not to risk it. Run HCG at 250iu twice a week till end of cycle then bump up to 500iu twice a week for last three weeks to run out the HCG if you got a 5000iu vial. If you already got the SERMs then start the clomiphene with the HCG dosed as you have it and the tamoxifen in the thrid week of HCG at 20mg ED.

That's how I'd run it anyways. If its your first cycle I'd have an A.I. and topical 5-AR inhibitor on hand.

Comments? - Shot

[sigman roid]

As it states its person specific as to wheather you need to run hcg or not i would not run it unless i needed to and you wont know if you need it until your on cycle you may want to have it on hand in case personally i dont need it.

[LeroyB]

Thanks once again sigman roid.
Just trying to get as much info / opinions as possible.

[sigman roid]

Thanks once again sigman roid.
Just trying to get as much info / opinions as possible.

No problem bro better to have all the options then you can make a better choice for yourself

[LeroyB]

sigman - Me again. I was reading this (from this sites "how to come off section"):

3. Avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body would enter an immediate catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors will be free and in combination with the low testosterone and androgen levels a considerable loss of strength and mass, and an increase of fat and water, and often gynecomastia will occur. Gynecomastia is possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone. Especially eye-catching is also the extreme listlessness to training or sex and a generally weak state of mind of several athletes. If not forced because of medical reasons never discontinue steroids "cold turkey"

In my cycle plan I do come off all at once, and then sit with nothing for two weeks. This seems to be counter to what is mentioned in quote above as well as some other points in the main article. Should I be concerned?
Thanks again!

[El Corvino]

I ran test and dbol for my first cycle and it was AMAZING. that was my personal experience. Here is a newb post by PO that is similar to what I did.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=407104

He said you can go to 50. I started at 30 and moved to 40 for weeks 2 - 4. I think anything more than 40 is too much on a first time... and I put on 25 lbs in those first 4 weeks so yea...

[Okinawa_Power]

Answered my own question.....thanks....

[sigman roid]

sigman - Me again. I was reading this (from this sites "how to come off section"):

In my cycle plan I do come off all at once, and then sit with nothing for two weeks. This seems to be counter to what is mentioned in quote above as well as some other points in the main article. Should I be concerned?
Thanks again!

No alot of those articles are out dated, we all come off the same way,(asuming your using test e) you finish your cycle have 2 weeks with nothing then start pct so i wouldnt be overly concerned.

[big_k]

In my cycle plan I do come off all at once, and then sit with nothing for two weeks. This seems to be counter to what is mentioned in quote above as well as some other points in the main article. Should I be concerned?
Thanks again!

You come off all at once, but that doesn't mean your body isn't still anabolic. The ester will still be in there before you start PCT. So you're good to go. The idea is to stop the cycle, and have a smooth transition into PCT so you can help your body bounce back and ensure you keep your gains!

Good luck! Nice to see someone doin' their homework.

[LeroyB]

Rock on guys.
You all have helped tons.
Still reading so if I get another question I will be back - but I am feeling good so far.
Cheers!