Starting first PCT next week

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 09:51 AM

What am I going to expect? How should I train so that I don't lose my gains?

My PCT will consist of Clomid/Letro

**alpmaster** · 11-12-2009, 10:02 AM

You will have to do a special PCT training protocol. You have to use a BOSU ball and kettlebells, they help to keep gains.

**chuckt12345** · 11-12-2009, 10:05 AM

you will lose some of those gains, no matter what you do

***D7M*** · 11-12-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by jccnewbie

What am I going to expect? How should I train so that I don't lose my gains?

My PCT will consist of Clomid/Letro

here's a good read for you:
AAS- Tips on keeping gains for the moderate user

what's your complete pct look like?

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

here's a good read for you:
AAS- Tips on keeping gains for the moderate user

what's your complete pct look like?

Great thread, I will study that.

For PCT I was thinking clomid 100/100/50/50 But I'm not sure what to dose the Letro at, I wasn't planning on having it but I do now so I was going to throw that in.

My cycle was test cyp 600mg/wk for 6 weeks. I wanted to do 12 but the rest of my gear was seized. I should have waited for all of my gear to start, but I will just have to settle for this short cycle.

Any suggestions on the letro?

**dec11** · 11-12-2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by alpmaster

You will have to do a special PCT training protocol. You have to use a BOSU ball and kettlebells, they help to keep gains.

wtf???!!!!

***D7M*** · 11-12-2009, 10:20 AM

did you have gyno on cycle? why are you running the letro?

If not, I'd just do the typical nolva/clomid for pct.
clomid 100/50/50/25
nolva 40/40/20/20

and 600mg/wk of cyp for 6 weeks? you should've just waited till you had enough gear and ran a real cycle.

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

did you have gyno on cycle? why are you running the letro?

If not, I'd just do the typical nolva/clomid for pct.
clomid 100/50/50/25
nolva 40/40/20/20

and 600mg/wk of cyp for 6 weeks? you should've just waited till you had enough gear and ran a real cycle.

Thanks for the PCT asdvice, no I did not have gyno but I had an incredible amount of fat gain and water retention. I hadn't planned on using the letro, I just happened to get some.

6 weeks seems short I know, but I actually have some impressive gains (besides that fat).

**jcosley** · 11-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

did you have gyno on cycle? why are you running the letro?

If not, I'd just do the typical nolva/clomid for pct.
clomid 100/50/50/25
nolva 40/40/20/20

and 600mg/wk of cyp for 6 weeks? you should've just waited till you had enough gear and ran a real cycle.

Uh yeah...I didnt even start making really good gains until week 4-5 ....so a 6 week cycle would be pointless.

***D7M*** · 11-12-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by jccnewbie

Thanks for the PCT asdvice, no I did not have gyno but I had an incredible amount of fat gain and water retention. I hadn't planned on using the letro, I just happened to get some.

6 weeks seems short I know, but I actually have some impressive gains (besides that fat).

ok I don't see the need for letro in your pct then.

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by jcosley

Uh yeah...I didnt even start making really good gains until week 4-5 ....so a 6 week cycle would be pointless.

That was your experience, not mine. Besides, it's out of my hands I learned a valuble lesson to have ALL gear on hand before starting a cycle.

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

ok I don't see the need for letro in your pct then.

Thanks for the advice.

**Mooseman33** · 11-12-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by jccnewbie

That was your experience, not mine. Besides, it's out of my hands I learned a valuble lesson to have ALL gear on hand before starting a cycle.

sucks about cutting it short but glad that u are being positive and learning from it..
if u dont have any gyyno going on, i would not use letro in PCT..

look on the bright side bro, u wont have to wait as long to start ur next cycle..

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

sucks about cutting it short but glad that u are being positive and learning from it..
if u dont have any gyyno going on, i would not use letro in PCT..

look on the bright side bro, u wont have to wait as long to start ur next cycle..

Exactly!! I plan to start again just after new years. any second cycle advice?

**thenextcutler** · 11-12-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by jccnewbie

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Exactly!! I plan to start again just after new years. any second cycle advice?

ya... get all the gear first

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by thenextcutler

ya... get all the gear first

Ya, that kinda goes without saying.

Should I run another test only cycle or should I start to venture outward and begin a stack?

**oscarjones** · 11-12-2009, 03:19 PM

First week is the hardest for PCT in my experience. Psychologically you lose some lbs from water weight and that has an effect as well.

Just make sure to eat at maintenance or above and give time for ample rest because you won't recover as quickly.

**jccnewbie** · 11-12-2009, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by oscarjones

First week is the hardest for PCT in my experience. Psychologically you lose some lbs from water weight and that has an effect as well.

Just make sure to eat at maintenance or above and give time for ample rest because you won't recover as quickly.

Thanks for your imput. I have my diet all lined out and I swer that I have already been losing tons of water weight already. I can't make it through the night without pissing at least once, and my last injection was Sat.

**toothache** · 11-12-2009, 04:05 PM

Solid advice here. Don't use letro for pct. Use clomid/nolva.

That sarms looks interesting. I may be using it for pct my next cycle to help keep gains.

**oscarjones** · 11-12-2009, 04:05 PM

Yeah PCT gets better after the first week, so no worries, just fight through it!

**jccnewbie** · 11-13-2009, 12:46 PM

Good news, I found a local source but I don't know if I should go ahead and start PCT and save it for next cycle or just pin and keep the cycle going.... My last injection was Sat night... Any thoughts on that??

**big_k** · 11-13-2009, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by jccnewbie

What am I going to expect? How should I train so that I don't lose my gains?

My PCT will consist of Clomid/Letro

Avoid Movies like The Lion King, you will notice tears pouring down your face and you won't be able to stop it.

**jccnewbie** · 11-13-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by big_k

Avoid Movies like The Lion King, you will notice tears pouring down your face and you won't be able to stop it.

I am not looking forward to that.

**jccnewbie** · 11-13-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by jccnewbie

Good news, I found a local source but I don't know if I should go ahead and start PCT and save it for next cycle or just pin and keep the cycle going.... My last injection was Sat night... Any thoughts on that??

Anyone?

**Mooseman33** · 11-13-2009, 03:18 PM

if u can inject asap i say continue this cycle on man.
the good stuff is just starting..

and about PCT- if ur running clomid, but a big bix of tissues...

**jccnewbie** · 11-13-2009, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

if u can inject asap i say continue this cycle on man.
the good stuff is just starting..

and about PCT- if ur running clomid, but a big bix of tissues...

Thanks Moose, I really want to get the most out of this cycle. I should be able to get my test tonight.

The sniffles only last about a week on PCT right?

**Mooseman33** · 11-13-2009, 03:30 PM

not for me man, i cry at tv commercials, anything emotional..
really sucks man, but its part of the game..u just have to butch up...

get ur test and get it into u tonight bro..

goodluck

**big_k** · 11-13-2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

not for me man, i cry at tv commercials, anything emotional..
really sucks man, but its part of the game..u just have to butch up...

get ur test and get it into u tonight bro..

goodluck

lol I didn't know some had it THAT bad

**jccnewbie** · 11-13-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by big_k

lol I didn't know some had it THAT bad

Is there anything you can do to avoid these emotional problems? I'm already emotional as it is (go ahead and laugh).

Just got a phone call, my test was hand delivered and waiting for me.

**feeldapump89** · 11-14-2009, 03:39 PM

I am two weeks into my pct and the only emotional side affects i have had is increased laughter lol... I have found myself "lmao" and "rofl" a lot more easier and frequently. I havent experienced any uncontrollable crying or anything of the such guess im just lucky.