Going to Thailand. Need Advice.

**Mr.Rose** · 11-13-2009, 10:10 PM

Hey guys,

Im from Australia and roids are illegal here, and f'in expensive to get any other way.

Ok so im heading to thailand, phuket to be specific in a couple of weeks.

Im looking to bulk, as fast as possible while im there. Im a fighter, so i will spend 4 hours a day training muay thai and about 2 hours with the weights. I need a stack that will give me the best gains for that amount of work and give me the best recovery.

I know you guys get this sort of question a lot, asking what stack to go for. But i thought i would be more specific. What is the best stack with the least side effects that i can get whilst im at thailand. Im looking for bulking and cutting. Also i have never done roids before.

I know roids are very cheap and over the counter here at thailand.

Any and all help would be appreciated.

**Mr.Rose** · 11-14-2009, 12:33 AM

I'm thinking a test free for my first cycle? do you recommend it? I'm thinking,

Primabolan depot - 300mg per week for 4 weeks
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 4 weeks
Winstrol - 150mg per week for weeks 2-4.

and if i start to develop bitch tits, to counter im thinking, 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid per day?

what do you guys think.

do you recommend anything else?

**LeroyB** · 11-14-2009, 12:42 AM

This has been address right below your post:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=407412
Rock on

**Kibble** · 11-14-2009, 01:44 AM

prohormone

**Barch** · 11-14-2009, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

I'm thinking a test free for my first cycle? do you recommend it? I'm thinking,

Primabolan depot - 300mg per week for 4 weeks
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 4 weeks
Winstrol - 150mg per week for weeks 2-4.

and if i start to develop bitch tits, to counter im thinking, 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid per day?

what do you guys think.

do you recommend anything else?

Which camp are you going to? I think all of the choices above wouldn't be ideal... Deca is a bad compound for short cycles, Winstrol is too harsh on your joints (BAD for Muay Thai), Primo might be okay, but Test Prop or Suspension, T-Bol, Anavar , Masteron Prop would all be better choices.

**Mr.Rose** · 11-14-2009, 09:12 AM

So if i take a more effective drug such as deca for a shorter time, say half its normal cycle, i won't notice "half" the results. Does it really have to be taken to completion to notice even minor results. I mean i heard of 25lb + of muscle gain with deca.

I might be going to tiger at phuket or WMC at samui, not too sure yet.

So test suspension with anavar added as a cutting agent? would it be going to far to add t-bol ontop?

**Mr.Rose** · 11-14-2009, 09:22 AM

So if i take a more effective drug such as deca for a shorter time, say half its normal cycle, i won't notice "half" the results. Does it really have to be taken to completion to notice even minor results. I mean i heard of 25lb + of muscle gain with deca, so if i take it for 4 weeks would i see a lets say 5-10lb increase? or does it not work that way.

I might be going to tiger at phuket or WMC at samui, not too sure yet.

So test suspension with anavar added as a cutting agent? would it be going to far to add t-bol ontop?

**Anon_1992** · 11-14-2009, 10:54 AM

which part in phuket bro
im from thailand but i live in the us
going back there this chrismas

**thenextcutler** · 11-14-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

So if i take a more effective drug such as deca for a shorter time, say half its normal cycle, i won't notice "half" the results. Does it really have to be taken to completion to notice even minor results. I mean i heard of 25lb + of muscle gain with deca, so if i take it for 4 weeks would i see a lets say 5-10lb increase? or does it not work that way.

I might be going to tiger at phuket or WMC at samui, not too sure yet.

So test suspension with anavar added as a cutting agent? would it be going to far to add t-bol ontop?

Half the time doesn't equal half the results, doesn't work that way. Certain drugs have to be in your system for weeks before you gain anything.

You mention EQ below, eq needs to be taken for 4-8 weeks before you even gain or notice a change. I've been shooting EQ for almost two weeks and it hasn't done anything yet.

**thenextcutler** · 11-14-2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

oh and with the suspension, can you recommend any other test, as i would rather not be in all that pain from the oil? So im guessing test prop because of its short ester? and to counter im thinking nolvadex and or clomid.
Also i heard that Equipoise will increase stanima? how would stacking this go? hell maybe even Sustanon 250 to replace the prop?

Probably going to be waisting your time with anything, but if anything worked it would be test prop.

I would look in to orals and prohormones as they are quicker acting and typically used in shorter cycles. I skipped that step and went straight to injectables due to toxicity.

**Mr.Rose** · 11-14-2009, 07:50 PM

hmm, ok so if i add another week to my cycle, so say im there for 5 weeks, get my gear and start right away, and on the last week before i got, load up on the normal doses of longer ester roids before i return home, so that may give me a 6 week cycle if im lucky right? even the sus will stay in my system for up to 4 weeks after, so i will have some results.

what about stacking this,

Test prop
anavar
Sustanon (taking in account the test prop in sustanon)

i would like to add another hard builder and replace the sustanon. Which one will be good for a 5 week cycle? One that will increase lean muscle, not add water retention... well not as much water as say deca or anadrol.

Im not too sure what part of phucket, im going to where ever the tiger muay thai camp is, i think near pa tong.

**Barch** · 11-15-2009, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

hmm, ok so if i add another week to my cycle, so say im there for 5 weeks, get my gear and start right away, and on the last week before i got, load up on the normal doses of longer ester roids before i return home, so that may give me a 6 week cycle if im lucky right? even the sus will stay in my system for up to 4 weeks after, so i will have some results.

what about stacking this,

Test prop
anavar
Sustanon (taking in account the test prop in sustanon)

i would like to add another hard builder and replace the sustanon. Which one will be good for a 5 week cycle? One that will increase lean muscle, not add water retention... well not as much water as say deca or anadrol .

Im not too sure what part of phucket, im going to where ever the tiger muay thai camp is, i think near pa tong.

Phuket is relatively small. Tiger is about 20 minutes away from Patong. Like I said earlier, Test Prop, T-Bol, Anavar and Masteron Prop would all be good choices. If you run Prop there is no reason to run Sust (both are just Test with different esters, prop being the faster overall).

**Mr.Rose** · 11-15-2009, 04:54 AM

Thankyou for the advice. i really appreciate it.

I was just thinking sust on the last week or two so that it will last me when i get home becuase of the different ester lengths it has. I know it lasts up to a month.

like you said, if test prop, anavar , masteron , t-bol are all good choices

would a stack of

test prop
anavar
mastron or winny
and tbol?

**Mr.Rose** · 11-15-2009, 05:32 AM

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**stevey_6t9** · 11-15-2009, 06:12 AM

dude the gear in thailand is shit. the food u will get there will be pretty shit to. with all ur muay thai 4 hr training its not gona help u aswell. my advice is dont do it there.

**Barch** · 11-15-2009, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

Thankyou for the advice. i really appreciate it.

I was just thinking sust on the last week or two so that it will last me when i get home becuase of the different ester lengths it has. I know it lasts up to a month.

like you said, if test prop, anavar , masteron , t-bol are all good choices

would a stack of

test prop
anavar
mastron or winny
and tbol?

I wouldn't go with all at the same time. Also, if you have any problems with your joints at all, avoid the Winny. Winny and Muay Thai could be very harsh on the joints. A base of something like Test Prop with some T-Bol, Anavar or Masteron added in would be good.

**Barch** · 11-15-2009, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

dude the gear in thailand is shit. the food u will get there will be pretty shit to. with all ur muay thai 4 hr training its not gona help u aswell. my advice is dont do it there.

I disagree with this post. The gear I got while there was all GTG. And for the most part I ate very clean with lots of chicken, seafood and vegetables. All of it was cheap, too... The food and the gear. If he adds some weight lifting along with the gear and a good diet, he could put on some quality mass.

**Barch** · 11-15-2009, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

also when i return home, i'm afraid that the sudden stop in gear will screw up my test and increase my estro, so i might take sus on the last week to give me a steady supply.

but i want to ask, if i go home, and get my blood tests done, and my test drop and stay down, how would i get a doctor to give me a test recovery prescription to get my test back up, say with clomid or some shit?

would i straight out tell teh docter i used roids and im afraid my test is low, can you give me a fix? or will he look at me at tell me to **** off?

Also, what should i change when i get home in terms of post cycle, because this is my first and for some years only cycle, should i lower my training intensity or keep it the same? should i try tibulus to help keep some test up?

As for after the cycle, I'd buy some Nolvadex and Clomid and take it home with you. That way you can run the gear right until the day you leave, then start PCT when you get home. You might want to take the Nolva and Clomid out of their packaging and just put them in a empty vitamin bottle (or something like that. Just make sure you remember which is which). For a cycle that short you won't have to worry about being shutdown too badly, as long as the dosages are within reason.

**Barch** · 11-15-2009, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

Thankyou for the advice. i really appreciate it.

I was just thinking sust on the last week or two so that it will last me when i get home becuase of the different ester lengths it has. I know it lasts up to a month.

like you said, if test prop, anavar , masteron , t-bol are all good choices

would a stack of

test prop
anavar
mastron or winny
and tbol?

I wouldn't go with all at the same time. Also, if you have any problems with your joints at all, avoid the Winny. Winny and Muay Thai could be very harsh on the joints. A base of something like Test Prop with some T-Bol, Anavar or Masteron added in would be good.

**Mr.Rose** · 11-15-2009, 07:35 AM

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**Barch** · 11-16-2009, 11:03 AM

Where are you from?

**Mr.Rose** · 11-16-2009, 11:39 PM

australia, our security is tighter than a virg....

**Barch** · 11-17-2009, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

australia, our security is tighter than a virg....

Well, depending on what doses you run, you might be able to get away with not running a PCT, but if at all possible, PCT is the way to go. Maybe run the gear for 4 weeks then do a short 1 week PCT with Nolva/Clomid, or if you can get it, Aromasin . As far as the Sust. before leaving, it doesn't really address the PCT, it actually just drags out the process of bringing the HPTA back online... Shoot for four weeks with a one week PCT.