The New Cycle ( Hgh , wins , primo , Eq )

**Rodriguez** · 11-16-2009, 07:56 AM

Hello, I goin start a new cycle, so if you are a beginner please do not reply to this thread .. first i have some questions about my cycle ..

Which is most optimal to run these 3
ps: I run 5 iu Hgh Ed year round

1)-

1-6 400Mg - Primo Ew
1-6 300Mg - Eq Ew
1-4 50Mg - Wins Ed
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6-12 500mg - Primo Ew
6-12 500mg - Eq Ew
8-12 50Mg - Wins Ed
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2)-

1-6 400Mg - Primo Ew
1-8 300Mg - Eq Ew
1-4 50Mg - Wins Ed
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6-12 500mg - Primo Ew
8-16 500mg - Eq Ew
12-16 50Mg - Wins Ed

3)-

1-8 400Mg - Primo Ew
1-8 300Mg - Eq Ew
1-4 50Mg - Wins Ed
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8-16 500mg - primo Ew
8-16 500mg - Eq Ew
12-16 50Mg - Wins Ed

My next question is whether in thought aromasin be removed and run ADEX throughout the cure? Or that I should run ADEX + aromasin ..
or only ADEX??
or aromasin in post cycle?

So if there are some out there who have some good answers must be happy to give them thanks for their help

***D7M*** · 11-16-2009, 08:14 AM

stats and cycle experience?

is there a particular reason you don't want to run test in your cycle?

Are gyno prone?

**ythrashin** · 11-16-2009, 08:17 AM

I wouldnt run any of those cycles you listed...

I'd drop the primo and add Testosterone . I'd run Test,EQ and winny.

Stats would be nice...?
Cycle history?
Goals?

**ythrashin** · 11-16-2009, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rodriguez

My next question is whether in thought aromasin be removed and run ADEX throughout the cure? Or that I should run ADEX + aromasin ..
or only ADEX??
or aromasin in post cycle?

Run aromasin throughout the cycle to control estrogen and in PCT if needed.

What is your planned PCT?
Are you going to run HCG during your cycle?

**Rodriguez** · 11-16-2009, 08:30 AM

okay my state is 183 high and weighs 82 kg!

has run a test only cycle 500mg Ew in 12 weeks 2 years ago!

I have also run a Anavar only cure for a half year ago!

why I do not want to run the test because I have too many side effects of it so would rather run primobolan instead

I run hcg not while I'm on! Only when I when I am finished with cycle so do not intend to run the MCT or what do u guys think ?

**ythrashin** · 11-16-2009, 08:49 AM

What side effects were those that you experienced? Perhaps you could control those sides with a AI like aromasin or adex.

Running any cycle without Test is a bad idea... Your libido could suffer,become lethargic and other sides associated with low Test could happen.

Better gains would accure with Test since winstrol and EQ are very synergistic with Test.

**ythrashin** · 11-16-2009, 08:51 AM

Runing HCG is best ran only during your cycle. Stop HCG one week prior to starting PCT. HCG will inhibit your recovery at that point since HCG mimics natural LH. The goal at that time is establish natural production of LH not inhibit its production...

**Rodriguez** · 11-16-2009, 08:53 AM

when I was on my test only cycle, I experienced coming gyno (Nolva Saved Me) and very bad / impure skin ..

what is AI ?

**ythrashin** · 11-16-2009, 09:05 AM

An AI is/are Aromatase Inhibitors. They are fare superior at controlling estrogen then Nolva. AI's stop the estrogen from being produced and Nolva just blocks the estrogen from attaching to the receptor.

Standard protocol is to use a low dose of an AI during your cycle to control gyno and other estro sides. Aromasin is what I prefer its easier on your liver and cholesterol then Adex and Letro. Aromasin also improved my skin better then Adex...fewer outbreaks and less oily...

Drop the primo and run Test along with a AI to prevent gyno bro'

**Rodriguez** · 11-16-2009, 09:52 AM

I appreciate very much for your answers and your time bro ..

but would really like to run primobolan in the cycle here, so I can always use the test for a second go again and try what you say ..
another thing is what one looks for the best out of the cycles which I have presented??

i will use aromasin in the whole cycle until im finish with the pct with Hcg

Another thing is how much you think / I will raise in my kcal intake through diet?

( hehe did not know you could get almost anything liquid, we do not have here in Denmark! )

**ythrashin** · 11-16-2009, 11:20 AM

Really, I cant recommend any of those cycles bro' without Test. Test is the king of all cycles. I dont think any experienced user will tell you differently...

**Rodriguez** · 11-16-2009, 03:43 PM

I know that the test is the main ingredient when you speak steoroids but since I have suffered too many side effects, I would like to try something different in my cycle, therefore I suggest the 3 things I put up before .. almost think I try the 3 cycle which I have set also I run aromasin throughout the process, it is quite a hole in your head? or is there one who will tell something different that I can do?

**Rodriguez** · 11-17-2009, 03:19 PM

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***D7M*** · 11-18-2009, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rodriguez

I know that the test is the main ingredient when you speak steoroids but since I have suffered too many side effects, I would like to try something different in my cycle, therefore I suggest the 3 things I put up before .. almost think I try the 3 cycle which I have set also I run aromasin throughout the process, it is quite a hole in your head? or is there one who will tell something different that I can do?

I agree with ythrashin above. Add some test in there, and run an AI.

Most sides can be controlled when the proper steps are taken.

**BJJ** · 11-18-2009, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

I agree with ythrashin above. Add some test in there, and run an AI.

Most sides can be controlled when the proper steps are taken.

Would not the AI reduce his gains?
If so, what is the meaning of running a cycle?

***D7M*** · 11-18-2009, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by BJJ

Would not the AI reduce his gains?
If so, what is the meaning of running a cycle?

I don't think so. This whole AI (or nolva) reducing gains is so over blown.

I agree, one shouldn't run them excessively or needlessly.

But I'm gyno prone, so I run AI's through all my cycles, and I still gain.

If he runs, say, Letro. Sure that will hurt his gains, because letro will just crush mostly all his estrogen.

But a reasonable dose of an AI shouldn't be a problem.

**BJJ** · 11-18-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

I don't think so. This whole AI (or nolva) reducing gains is so over blown.

I agree, one shouldn't run them excessively or needlessly.

But I'm gyno prone, so I run AI's through all my cycles, and I still gain.

If he runs, say, Letro. Sure that will hurt his gains, because letro will just crush mostly all his estrogen.

But a reasonable dose of an AI shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for the explanation.

**ythrashin** · 11-18-2009, 10:52 AM

The goal when using a AI during your cycle is to reduce your estrogen enough so that it doesnt cause sides like gyno, to much water retention etc... Right around the normal range pre cycle or a bit above. Lowering estrogen to much will effect gains,make your joints hurt and screw up libido....

**Rodriguez** · 11-18-2009, 03:08 PM

I have read that aromasin removes identical estrogen niveu with up to 85% so the question is whether we will Gaine with aromasin in a cycle

**chuckt12345** · 11-18-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rodriguez

I have read that aromasin removes identical estrogen niveu with up to 85% so the question is whether we will Gaine with aromasin in a cycle

of course you will,, id be more worried about not using your dong during cycle w/out running test

**Rodriguez** · 11-18-2009, 03:31 PM

why are u sayin of course ??? do u have an explanation ??

can not understand that at all worried about running my cycle without testing, nobody has given a good explanation why I absolutely must run tests and drop my primobolan .. since primobolan is mild and the eq is mild, I prefer to run it because of the cycle here because I have too many side effects by running the test?

**chuckt12345** · 11-18-2009, 03:50 PM

takin a AI during cycle may not yeild optimal results but its not gonna be a huge decrease in gains,, your lookin at few pounds IMO.

if those compounds shut you down and your body is not makin test on its on and your not injecting artificial test you will have a shiteload of problems. No sex drive, lack of energy, etc.

??? are you saying tests as in blood work? we are talkin about testesterone.

**ythrashin** · 11-18-2009, 03:54 PM

-Limp dick would be the top reason for not including Test.
-Less gains
-lethargy
and others...

Testosterone is king of all cycles...

If you want to run a cycle without Test go for it.

We'll be here to tell you "we told you so"

Sides should kick in around weeks 4-6...

If you dont run Test you wont need a AI like aromisin. Your estro will probably plumet along with your Testosterone level. So get ready for some sore joints...

**redz** · 11-18-2009, 05:25 PM

Test is best, just run a low test dose like 250mg/week even to prevent any labido problems. You will be glad you did.

**Rodriguez** · 11-19-2009, 08:13 AM

Now I've 2 suggestions:

what about the layout as I have set up here how it sounds?

5iu hgh Ed !
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1-8 250mg Test E Ew
1-8 300mg Eq Ew
1-4 50mg Wins Ed
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8-16 500mg Test E Ew
8-16 500mg Eq Ew
12-16 50mg wins Ed
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aromasin throughout my entire cycle.
but i will not use aromasin in post cycle ..

Or this :

1-8 400Mg - Primo Ew
1-8 250mg - Test E
1-8 300Mg - Eq Ew
1-4 50Mg - Wins Ed
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8-16 500mg - primo Ew
8-16 250'ore 500 mg test e ew
8-16 500mg - Eq Ew
12-16 50Mg - Wins Ed

I am considering just running the test without primobolan ???
ore maybe remove the eq and use primo with test ! ???
should I run MCT with hcg ????

**Rodriguez** · 11-19-2009, 01:48 PM

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**ythrashin** · 11-19-2009, 09:13 PM

1-16 Test E 500mg EW
1-15 EQ 500-600mg EW
1-4, 15-18 Winstrol 50 mg ED

Start PCT week 19 after test and eq esters have cleared....
19-22 or 23 clomid or nolva pct whatever you choose...

Aromasin may be needed in PCT especially if you run a clomid only PCT.

No need to run Primo with EQ and winni in the cycle...

**Rodriguez** · 11-20-2009, 08:01 AM

I do not understand you set it up on the strange way..
if you run 500 mg for so long you will most likely standard stringent and not optimally Gaine
thats why I suggest to put the dose up
because your body gets used to the dose .. I do not quite understand why everyone here is so happy with an old school drug clomid! there are better alternatives today!

something else is that you suggest using aromasin in post cycle! it is a bad idea. it seemed you just know!

exclude 80% of estrogen, your body will only produce an equivalent amount of testosterone , which is too little. For now, no one knows how long an estrogen molecule liver and aromasin binds to molecule until it dies, starting with the flourishing of the body for up to 4 weeks.
But avoiding there against the annoying effect of the sudden surplus of estrogen, when for instance. femera / ADEX release the molecule and the molecule is triggered again. So until it is clear how long it binds, you should probably be careful with the use of per cent. I have read me for it through other steroid forums.

**ythrashin** · 11-20-2009, 06:42 PM

Its pointless to taper up and down... just pick a damn dosage and run with it. DO or dont I dont care at this point.

Clomid is fine for PCT and is just as good as at starting up your HPTA as Nolva. You can use either one or both at the same time.

Fricken using a small dose of aromasin in PCT, especially if its a clomid pct is not a damn bad idea.

Why the hell you mentioning femara?

exclude 80% of estrogen, your body will only produce an equivalent amount of testosterone , which is too little. For now, no one knows how long an estrogen molecule liver and aromasin binds to molecule until it dies, starting with the flourishing of the body for up to 4 weeks.
But avoiding there against the annoying effect of the sudden surplus of estrogen, when for instance. femera / ADEX release the molecule and the molecule is triggered again. So until it is clear how long it binds, you should probably be careful with the use of per cent. I have read me for it through other steroid forums.
Yesterday 10:13 PM

This is some random dribble and I have no idea what your point is...^^^

The 80% reduction of estrogen is bullshit if you use a small dose of aromisin.

I think you shouldnt be running a cycle with the level of knowledge you have about AAS and PCT.

I'm done...

Do some damn research and look at other peoples cycles I'm not going to hold your hand.

Its your body go ahead and **** it up if you want to.

**Rodriguez** · 11-20-2009, 07:32 PM

has sent you a message ythrashin .. let us take it over there

**gymnerd** · 11-20-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by ythrashin

1-16 Test E 500mg EW
1-15 EQ 500-600mg EW
1-4, 15-18 Winstrol 50 mg ED

Start PCT week 19 after test and eq esters have cleared....
19-22 or 23 clomid or nolva pct whatever you choose...

Aromasin may be needed in PCT especially if you run a clomid only PCT.

No need to run Primo with EQ and winni in the cycle...

Yeah I like this. Gets my vote.

**Big** · 11-20-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

Yeah I like this. Gets my vote.

yep, makes far more sense than anything the OP has suggested.

**Rodriguez** · 11-21-2009, 09:39 AM

i do not believe in that .. It will grow fast in the same dose test in 16 weeks? Therefore, it is surely better to increase the dose to 250mg after about 8 - 10 weeks!

**ythrashin** · 11-21-2009, 07:09 PM

250mg per week is a damn HRT/TRT dose or just slightly above! All you will succeed in doing is shutting down your natural testosterone production.

. Replacing your natural Test with outside Test....

Believe that...

**Rodriguez** · 11-21-2009, 09:49 PM

it is true that we get closed down! But! You will also be closed with the same dose all the way! have just read to me that many users will be 100% higher dose so you do not get caught by the same test dose and no further Gainer optimal after 8 to 10 week! everything that I write you should not take this personally brother, sounded a bit so before!
'm just here to hear the opinions of others than all that I speak with about AS! it's a big world and everyone has their different views of how products and how they work! I am the type who prefers studies that show inquiries!
but will be happy to hear others' opinions, that is why I write here