next cycle can you help guys

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 01:51 PM

Hi Guys i am running my next cycle soon and i am thinking a test E and tren E cycle here is how i am going to run it cal will be about 3500 per day
Stats
age 33
5,8
190 pounds
Traning 4 years
bf 10%
10 weeks
1-4 tren 60 mg
1-10 test 250mg x2 per week
and then PCT Nolv 60,60,40,40,20,20,
Any help guys or advise or even anything i have left out would really be cool i am looking to get the best result i can for a comp

**BREW-MAN** · 11-17-2009, 02:09 PM

60mgs tren ? e/a ,every day ???

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by BREW-MAN

60mgs tren ? e/a ,every day ???

yes mate 60 each day

**ghettoboyd** · 11-17-2009, 02:13 PM

i belive tren e needs to be run longer like 12 weeks....it is a long ester....did you mean tren a?

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

i belive tren e needs to be run longer like 12 weeks....it is a long ester....did you mean tren a?

no mate it was E was not sure how long i would need to ran it so i can run the test and the tren for 12 weeks together or should i leave the test at 10 weeks ??

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-17-2009, 02:19 PM

tren e should def be run much longer than 4 weeks.

do u have any experience with tren acetate? how many cycles have u run and what compounds have u used?

**BREW-MAN** · 11-17-2009, 02:21 PM

well you dont need to do tren e every day mate ,tren enanthate is a long ester and you can do 150-200mgs every monday thursday along with test e

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week

weeks 1-10 300-400mgs tren e per week

tren sides can be harsh for some so take care.

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:26 PM

No i have not taken tren before first time
i have used test ,dbol ,anavar and some PH all on there own
so this cycle i have hoping to be next in line once i do my home work that is.

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by BREW-MAN

well you dont need to do tren e every day mate ,tren enanthate is a long ester and you can do 150-200mgs every monday thursday along with test e

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week

weeks 1-10 300-400mgs tren e per week

tren sides can be harsh for some so take care.

Thanks for the help mate i hope this will be a good cycle and have good gains
for my first show in the summer

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-17-2009, 02:31 PM

well i think someone 1st run with tren should be acetate due to its short active live. tren sides can be harsh and if one cant handle them they can discontinue use and be ok in 2 days. with the enanthate ester, if one cant handle the dose they have to wait up to 2 weeks. that would not be fun

looking at your AAS experience i would suggest a different injectable bulker like deca . it too is a 19nor but with less sides than tren. if u had a little more injectable experience under your belt id say go for the tren e and have some necessary things on hand such as prolactin antagonists

my .02

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

well i think someone 1st run with tren should be acetate due to its short active live. tren sides can be harsh and if one cant handle them they can discontinue use and be ok in 2 days. with the enanthate ester, if one cant handle the dose they have to wait up to 2 weeks. that would not be fun

looking at your AAS experience i would suggest a different injectable bulker like deca . it too is a 19nor but with less sides than tren. if u had a little more injectable experience under your belt id say go for the tren e and have some necessary things on hand such as prolactin antagonists

my .02

do you think the deca would give the same gains as the tren you make a good point mate thanks for the help

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-17-2009, 02:40 PM

they are both great quality muscle builders. tren would def shred u up a little more, BUT that is not guaranteed. your gains will be dependent on your diet and training. u can put on lean mass with little to no bloat if your diet is clean

couple Qs for you...

u said u compete, is reason u would get tested for AAS?

what are your goals with this cycle?

have u been gyno prone in the past? what does your pct regimine look like?

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

they are both great quality muscle builders. tren would def shred u up a little more, BUT that is not guaranteed. your gains will be dependent on your diet and training. u can put on lean mass with little to no bloat if your diet is clean

couple Qs for you...

u said u compete, is reason u would get tested for AAS?

what are your goals with this cycle?

have u been gyno prone in the past? what does your pct regimine look like?

i have been fighting for the last 10 years boxing, kickboxing and mma but i finish up due to my age 33 a little old for the young guys and i am getting slow lol i am doing my first bodybuilding comp next summer in ireland mate not tested for aas here
my goals are to win my beginners group next summer.

**irish fighter** · 11-17-2009, 02:54 PM

o and no gyno touch wood i posted my pct at the top but i am not sure i have it right now mate just nolv is what i have going to run but it looks like i need to go back to the drawing board here

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-17-2009, 04:24 PM

yo sorry man, got tied up. ya thats good u dont get tested, good u arent gyo prone. def some more stuff u could learn

deca is very suppressive on HPTA, i highly recommend running hcg along side of a cycle like this to keep your FSH and LH "turned on" a little if u will. i can post up a link on this

as for pct, u need some clomid along with the nolva, and an AI. u can opt to run an AI on cycle too to keep an bloat down and any possibility of gyno or heightened estrogen levels. i can post u another link on this as well....

may need to check out or keep in mind that deca will raise prolactin levels so a prolactin antagonist on hand would be good

anymore Qs let me kno