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    Help me design my beginner stack!

    Hello friends.

    I need help constructing a beginner cycle based on the anabolics that I have on hand. First and foremost please do not flame me for not researching or reading etc. I assure you I have read for hours about each of these substances but it seems like most of the stuff written on anabolics is written on the assumption that if you have access to one thing, you presumably have access to everything else.

    Myself on the other hand, what I have is all I have and I was lucky as hell to come by it in the first place.

    Firstly here is my inventory:

    3 x 2ml Deca Durabolin at 100mg a ML Ampules
    12 x 250mg Sustanon 250 1ml Ampules
    96 Dianabol tabs @ 20mg each
    40 Proviron tabs @ 25mg each

    Aromataise inhibitors for during cycle: None on hand however based on your kind suggestions I will order some stuff from ar-r . To be honest I have a good understanding of Aromatase inhibitors for PCT but not how to use them as a preventative measure to stop bloating and gyno etc mid cycle (thanks in advance for the advice here)

    PCT: As per above not certain what I should get from ar-r. Either nolvadex or clomid or what is suggested.

    Another note: I like the sound of 'short' cycles as apposed to a giant one as to not fully inhibit my testicular axis (Their is no way i'll be able to source HCG )

    Another note: It's ok if their is leftovers from one substance i have in abundance, or if their is enough to create 2 entirely seprate cycles etc.

    Final note: 25 years old. I weigh 183 pounds and I am 13% Bodyfat. I once weighed 233 pounds and 30% Bodyfat. I dieted down naturally. I plan on keeping the stuff aside untill I hit 10% bodyfat before I actually start the mass gain cycle however I've been on 13% for 2 months now with what one would consider a very optimal fat loss diet. Maybe I should start mass gaining now since this plateau is the mother of all plateus. My goal is like everyone else... Be huge and be ripped.

    Thanks agian. I really do appreciate the help building the cycle.

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    Ull need to leave the Deca alone.
    Run Sus at 500mg/week, monday and Thursday for 10 weeks.
    See how ur body reacts, before anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *El Diablo* View Post
    Ull need to leave the Deca alone.
    Run Sus at 500mg/week, monday and Thursday for 10 weeks.
    See how ur body reacts, before anything else.
    Thanks for the reply mate. I only have enough sustanon to run 500mg a week for 6 weeks. so I guess my cycle is only 6 weeks long?

    Does anyone else care to elaborate aswell? I've searched briefly beginner cycles that often incorporate dianabol at at least 20mg a day, sometimes 40. Should I be doing that with 1x 25mg proviron a day to help control excess estrogen?

    Thats what i've come up with based on my research but lets face it I dont know squat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushenator View Post
    Thanks for the reply mate. I only have enough sustanon to run 500mg a week for 6 weeks. so I guess my cycle is only 6 weeks long?

    Does anyone else care to elaborate aswell? I've searched briefly beginner cycles that often incorporate dianabol at at least 20mg a day, sometimes 40. Should I be doing that with 1x 25mg proviron a day to help control excess estrogen?

    Thats what i've come up with based on my research but lets face it I dont know squat!
    U can kickstart ur cycle with Dianabol, so cant u get more Sus?

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    Without avail test in your system your gains are going to be limited. In all my research Test is the base for most cycles.

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    6 weeks of sus is a waste you need more

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    forget the deca and get more sust....you can use the dbol for the first 4-5 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    forget the deca and get more sust....you can use the dbol for the first 4-5 weeks
    You think 20mg a day would do the trick for a beginner or 40?

    Thanks for the replies guys. My serious problem is the sus 250 and the fact that I'm going to have trouble getting more of it. I'll have to try though I suppose.

    Is their anyway I can begin with 300mg deca for the first 2 weeks then go sustanon for 6 weeks?

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    For me I see no results if the dbol is not at least 40 a day. I do the best with 50 a day for 4 weeks. I also take a min of 400mg of sus and 400mg of deca at the same time though to see continued gains for the cycle. 10-12 weeks have been the most successful for me. You should rethink taking anything till you get everything you need for a full cycle.

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    yea for sure i know what it is like to have the gear in front of u. but hold of man waste of time and money u need 24 1ml amps of the sust drop the deca and save 4 next cycle and try to get the deca in the 200mg or higher.

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    OK I'll move heaven and earth trying to source more sustanon otherwise I suppose its not worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by *El Diablo* View Post
    Ull need to leave the Deca alone.
    Run Sus at 500mg/week, monday and Thursday for 10 weeks.
    See how ur body reacts, before anything else.
    agreed...

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    Will running proviron concurrently with the aforementioned stack help reduce bloating, gyno and other general estrogen related side effects? Should I bother with this or opt for a maintenence dose of Nolvadex or something? Or just test the water to see if I get any serious sides at all?

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