sus and proviron cycle, proviron questions

[A-roid]

Just got a few questions about proviron , I'm running a cycle of sus and proviron.

1ml of sus a week for 10 weeks
25mg of proviron per day for 12 weeks
novladex 3 weeks after last injection 40/20/20

I know it is a light cycle but don't want a heavy one, i know 2ml a week of sus would be better and 50ml of proviron, but i just want to keep it light.

1) Will proviron actually add any mass, or will it just act as a hardener?
2) Will proviron take any effect away from the sus, making me not put as much mass on in total?
3) When is the best time to take the proviron tablet in the day?
4) Are you meant to start to take proviron and sus at the same time, and finish the proviron 2 weeks after last injection

Quick stats 5ft11, 21 years old 12.7 stone, been traning for 5 years, train 5 times per week, eat well and clean ... anything else you need to know just ask, thanks.

[A-roid]

can anyone answer any of the questions? even if its just the answer to one it would help thanks

[Vitruvian-Man]

1.) No, proviron will add no lean muscle mass. That's not it's purpose.

2.) If anything it would help the sust, by freeing up any bound-testosterone in the body.

3.) Doesn't matter. I usually split up my dosages x 2 per day

4.) you would run the proviron weeks 1 - 13 @ (you dosage) and then discontinue usage of proviron when you begin the PCT.

Kk... now that I've answered those questions (which you really should have just used the "search" function for).... basically bro, here's the bad news... 25mg of proviron ED while on cycle will do almost nothing for you. I suggest no less then 100mg each day while on cycle.

You might get a big hornier from 25mg each day, but other then that it should have little to no effects. (not to mention, you should already be f**ing ridiculously horny from the sust, so I don't see how libido would be a concern..)

IMO if you don't have enough to run proviron @ at least 75mg for the 13 weeks then just save it for the next cycle or something.

People often get proviron mixed up with Winstrol , and think just because it's a DHT derivative that it will harden you up.... that's not true.

Hope that helps.

[A-roid]

thanks yeah thats helped i know the doseage is meant to be higher but they are quite expensive, i might try and bump it up to 50mg each day since they is no sides from it thanks for the answers does the pct and the cycle look ok? It is my first cycle

[marcus300]

Just got a few questions about proviron , I'm running a cycle of sus and proviron.

1ml of sus a week for 10 weeks
25mg of proviron per day for 12 weeks
novladex 3 weeks after last injection 40/20/20

I know it is a light cycle but don't want a heavy one, i know 2ml a week of sus would be better and 50ml of proviron, but i just want to keep it light.

1) Will proviron actually add any mass, or will it just act as a hardener?
2) Will proviron take any effect away from the sus, making me not put as much mass on in total?
3) When is the best time to take the proviron tablet in the day?
4) Are you meant to start to take proviron and sus at the same time, and finish the proviron 2 weeks after last injection

Quick stats 5ft11, 21 years old 12.7 stone, been traning for 5 years, train 5 times per week, eat well and clean ... anything else you need to know just ask, thanks.

Your to young to be cycling, do you know you could damage yourself at your age and end up with low test for life, your HPTA hasnt fully developed yet and shutting down can cause you some serious issues, dont cycle till around 24yrs old, it may not be what your looking to hear but thats the best advice for you.

[A-roid]

and also if proviron isnt a hardener is there any benefits from taking it?

[Vitruvian-Man]

thanks yeah thats helped i know the doseage is meant to be higher but they are quite expensive, i might try and bump it up to 50mg each day since they is no sides from it thanks for the answers does the pct and the cycle look ok? It is my first cycle

well to be honest you aren't going to get much out of it.

you're still pretty young.. but anyways.. I won't dwell on that..

1mL of sust will do barely anything for you, and is would be a complete waste of test, especially at your age.

1mL = ~250mg of test

You'll want to stick to 500mg of test for a first cycle.

10 weeks isn't a bad time frame, I would personally go 12 weeks.

50mg of proviron isn't bad... I honestly don't know if it will be worth it, I would just save it if I was you..

PCT is subpar... should be:

clomid: 100/50/50/25
nolvadex : 40/40/20/20

[A-roid]

is that pct nessecary for such a light cycle, wont nolvadex be enough, i only want to start with 1ml a week to see how it goes, my mate kept a stone from the same cycle and i'd be happy with that for my first cycle and thanks i might bump it up to 12 weeks, if i do this should i run proviron for 15 weeks? then start pct straight after?

[marcus300]

How did I know he would ignore the correct advice and listen the what he wanted to hear,

[A-roid]

i already know that, but have decided to go on them and just want to do it as safely as possible AT THIS AGE, shouldnt be to bad at a low doseage with pct

[Vitruvian-Man]

is that pct nessecary for such a light cycle, wont nolvadex be enough, i only want to start with 1ml a week to see how it goes, my mate kept a stone from the same cycle and i'd be happy with that for my first cycle and thanks i might bump it up to 12 weeks, if i do this should i run proviron for 15 weeks? then start pct straight after?

Well I don't think you're understanding me... 1mL of sust each week = around the same amount that your body would be producing naturally... lol, no lie. (It's obviously a little more then natural, but at 21 it's not THAT much more.)

Umm, but if you're going to go through with it, then yes you could use the proviron until week 15, and then start PCT after you stop taking the proviron.

Yes, you should use two SERMS to restart your HPTA.

[A-roid]

ok thanks a lot, thought it was 75mg a week naturally, but not sure ... thanks for my next cycle i will do 2ml a week, but just see how this goes for now thanks, i think i will see good gains at 1ml as a few of my mates have done similar cycles, but even if i dont gain a lot at least i will know how i react to it, thanks alot for the advice, may do the sustanon for 12 weeks and proviron for 15 thanks.

[marcus300]

i already know that, but have decided to go on them and just want to do it as safely as possible AT THIS AGE, shouldnt be to bad at a low doseage with pct

There isnt a safe way at your age, your HPTA isnt full developed so shutting it down can cause you serious problems, your way to light and you can do alot more with the natural test you have and a good diet,

There isnt a safe way for someone at your age,

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

[Vitruvian-Man]

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[JinNtonic]

How did I know he would ignore the correct advice and listen the what he wanted to hear,

Most of them do.

You even put it as nicely as you could.

[A-roid]

i know thanks for that, but 1ml of sus will not shut my test down especially with pct, thanks a lot for your concern but ill just try do as it as safe as possible now, and also under doctors supervision

[JinNtonic]

Well I don't think you're understanding me... 1mL of sust each week = around the same amount that your body would be producing naturally... lol, no lie. (It's obviously a little more then natural, but at 21 it's not THAT much more.)

Umm, but if you're going to go through with it, then yes you could use the proviron until week 15, and then start PCT after you stop taking the proviron.

Yes, you should use two SERMS to restart your HPTA.

I dont think he understands that this isnt ADDING to the test he already has. Because your Natty test shuts down, you are replacing a similar amount of natty test with man made test. Completely pointless if you are not going to do a larger amount.

I think this is a common misunderstanding.

[Paul_Best]

Your not ready!

[JinNtonic]

i know thanks for that, but 1ml of sus will not shut my test down especially with pct, thanks a lot for your concern but ill just try do as it as safe as possible now, and also under doctors supervision

Yes it will shut you down...

If you are dead set on doing a cycle at least do yourself a favor and read up and educate before you waste your time, money & maybe your health.

[A-roid]

Whats the matter with my cycle?? i know 2ml would be better because of the propate and doing an injection on monday and thursday, but i know this cycle will be effective as my mates have done them before, by the way, not looking for an argument, and dont want to be ignorant by ignoring the advice but i am going on them regardless but just want to do it the safest way possible at this age

[Zeraph]

Reardless of the dose you plan on using it will still shut you down. The point everyone is trying to come across with you is that shutting your natural test production down could be dangerous. It effects everyone differently, so just because your buddies did it without any problems doesnt mean it wont create problems for you down the line.

[mickdiesel]

hes a schm%ck