Liver/BP support while on cycle?

**Kibble** · 11-30-2009, 01:09 AM

How many of you guys run blood pressure and liver supports while on cycle? I am already taking 14 pills a day(dbol , multi-v, fish oil), and I am finding it hard to fit in the 4 pills a day for blood pressure and liver support. I am thinking of running the dbol with no supporting supplements, and just using Liver Longer after the dbol, while still on test.

Just wanted to know if any of you all run dbol with no supporting supplements. Also, if it is really such a bad idea. When it comes to alcohol on cycle, I won't even be in the same room with it. I hate alcohol because of how it makes you feel in the morning. So alcohol is not a factor when it comes to liver values. Also, I am drinking 1.5 gallong of water per day. Thanks guys

**boz** · 11-30-2009, 01:20 AM

First of all your running dbol without a test wats the go there?

Also and in regards to ur liver issue i would recommend milk thistle.

**Kibble** · 11-30-2009, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

How many of you guys run blood pressure and liver supports while on cycle? I am already taking 14 pills a day(dbol , multi-v, fish oil), and I am finding it hard to fit in the 4 pills a day for blood pressure and liver support. I am thinking of running the dbol with no supporting supplements, and just using Liver Longer after the dbol, while still on test.

Just wanted to know if any of you all run dbol with no supporting supplements. Also, if it is really such a bad idea. When it comes to alcohol on cycle, I won't even be in the same room with it. I hate alcohol because of how it makes you feel in the morning. So alcohol is not a factor when it comes to liver values. Also, I am drinking 1.5 gallong of water per day. Thanks guys

It is all there in bold. lol

**Kibble** · 11-30-2009, 01:27 AM

Also, I would never take just Milk Thistle. What I am using has NAC, Milk Thistle and ALA. I take up to 6 of those a day and I am getting sick of it. And just in case you didn't understand my last post... I am running test

**peachfuzz** · 11-30-2009, 01:28 AM

your fine to not run support supps assuming your dosing is reasonable. the most beneficial time to run support supps for the liver IMO is after your orals.

**peachfuzz** · 11-30-2009, 01:31 AM

im not a fan of milk thistle either. i prefer liv 52 year round and sometimes will implement allochol.

**Kibble** · 11-30-2009, 01:34 AM

Will look into Liv52. I think that Liver Longer is more of a "cleansing" liver support, so I will run it after the dbol . I am running 50mg of dbol, on day 5 now. I am getting bad headaches and back pumps, so I may increase the BP supports. Thanks for the input. I seriously want to drop the liver supports, and hit them heavy after the orals

**darkcrayz** · 11-30-2009, 01:40 AM

you live in korea? can you find liquid fish oil or get it mailed in? might be expensive i assume. then you could drink your fish oil instead of taking pills to alleviate some of the issues of taking so many.

**boz** · 11-30-2009, 01:40 AM

u get that didn't read it probably

**peachfuzz** · 11-30-2009, 01:42 AM

liver longer is good stuff as well.

**darkcrayz** · 11-30-2009, 01:42 AM

i read somewhere on here its best to run liver support after you finish the dbol not with it because your liver is already extra stressed. run after to clean it out. maybe 4 weeks dbol,then 4 weeks milk, then after cycle another 4 weeks. hopefully whoever i read that from can post it up again.

**LeroyB** · 11-30-2009, 01:45 AM

I take my Milk Thisle as a liquid - I mix it with some Sprite Zero / Leon Juice / Creatine.
Good stuff!
Its a like a total cocktail and thats done. Tastes like a mixed drink.

**peachfuzz** · 11-30-2009, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by darkcrayz

i read somewhere on here its best to run liver support after you finish the dbol not with it because your liver is already extra stressed. run after to clean it out. maybe 4 weeks dbol,then 4 weeks milk, then after cycle another 4 weeks. hopefully whoever i read that from can post it up again.

thats pretty much what i am saying

**Kibble** · 11-30-2009, 01:53 AM

Thanks everybody. About the liquid fish oil- I have never heard of it. I am only in Korea for about 4 more months then I am back to the USA. So I will stop the liver supports and run them after my orals. It will be an aggressive liver treatment pct lol. I will find a place that reads liver values. I want to cycle for the next 30 years, so I have to do it right from the start

**darkcrayz** · 11-30-2009, 01:55 AM

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=CL-1938

just so you know what product im talking about.

**peachfuzz** · 11-30-2009, 01:55 AM

like i said. sane dose and duration and your liver will be good to go for many cycles.

**darkcrayz** · 11-30-2009, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

your fine to not run support supps assuming your dosing is reasonable. the most beneficial time to run support supps for the liver IMO is after your orals.

cool. glad im learning.

got a question since we are still on liver support. why dont you like milk thistle and prefer liver longer?

**peachfuzz** · 11-30-2009, 02:06 AM

unless things have changed since the last time i looked into it there is no conclusive evidence supporting the use of milk thistle for any kind of liver protection. also too much can actually tax the liver. also it has been shown to inhibit function of the androgen receptor.

**Kibble** · 11-30-2009, 02:07 AM

I, for one, will use Milk Thistle... but not JUST Milk Thistle. I use a product that contains Milk Thistle, along with several other supporting ingredients. If I had enough money I would invest in more Liver Longer, and Synthergine.

I looked at the fish oil. It seems like a good idea, but the convience factor may be gone, because I keep everything in my gym bag