need help on first cycle

**aquila_argentum** · 11-30-2009, 09:12 AM

hi,
i've started my first cycle a couple weeks ago with sustanon250/week and 100mg primo/week but after 2 weeks i noticed a loss of libido so i cut the sus and doubled the primo...i've been also taking clomid+nolvadex during the cycle could the SERMs be responsible for the loss of libido...anyways i want to do a cycle with min. side effects. my concern is mostly permanently shutting down the HPTA...is primo the way to go? i don't really need massive gains, i'm aiming for an additional 6-8kg in the long-term....money is not an issue and i have access to arimidex /femara, hcg , etc but i'm not sure if i should be incorporating them into my cycle....i have access to pharmaceutical grade gear (i buy them from the pharmacy) so my gear is legit(i've heard that ugl primos are often underdosed or fake)....
please keep in mind that i'm really apprehensive about messing with the HPTA when making suggestions...thanks in advance

**SuperLift** · 11-30-2009, 09:24 AM

If youre so concerned then just dont cycle

**baseline_9** · 11-30-2009, 09:49 AM

you shouldnt run nolva and clomid on cycle

you should have continue the sust and stop the primo clomid and nolva if you were experiencing loss of libido.

you should have done some more research before starting this cycle.

post stats

also when did you cease the sust?

**Mooseman33** · 11-30-2009, 09:50 AM

so much wrong here.

u really need to cut all the AAS out now and really learn. for someone who is so worried about HPTA damage u have started out wrong.

since day one u have used clomid and nolva? what dose have u been using these?

why cut the sust out, have u not done any research man?

**aquila_argentum** · 11-30-2009, 02:23 PM

well i figured the side effects (the suppression of the hpta) would be more pronounced due to the androgenic effects of sustanon ...i ran clomid+nolvadex from day one because i suspected that i might be susceptible to gynecomastia (i had some during adolescence)
wouldn't my estradiol run rampant if i just quit the SERMs? Most steroid ratings charts online indicate that primo has a higher anabolic /androgenic ration than sust and that it has less side effects compared to sust...am I misinterpreting the info somehow? and I ceased the sust 9 days ago, i only had 2 shots of the sust anyhow

**redz** · 11-30-2009, 04:01 PM

You should have ran test only for a first cycle and also running clomid and nolva is silly. I would only use the nolva on cycle if estro sides came up during the cycle. You need to do alot more research for sure.

**BJJ** · 11-30-2009, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by aquila_argentum

well i figured the side effects (the suppression of the hpta) would be more pronounced due to the androgenic effects of sustanon ...i ran clomid+nolvadex from day one because i suspected that i might be susceptible to gynecomastia (i had some during adolescence)
wouldn't my estradiol run rampant if i just quit the SERMs? Most steroid ratings charts online indicate that primo has a higher anabolic/androgenic ration than sust and that it has less side effects compared to sust...am I misinterpreting the info somehow? and I ceased the sust 9 days ago, i only had 2 shots of the sust anyhow

So much confusion man.
What week are you running?

**aquila_argentum** · 12-01-2009, 12:52 PM

i probably should have consulted you guys before i even started planning this cycle...but anyways i decided i'd cut the steroids for the mean time, i mean risking my health and libido for a few pounds of muscle really isn't worth it...i guess my question now is what kind of pct(if any) should i be doing....i did 2 weeks of sus250/week plus 200mg primo/week and my last primo/sus injection was about 10 days ago...during the 2 weeks i did hcg every 3 days-brand name merional, which is a blend of fsh lh hcg (75iu each) i have access to pregnyl but only at the 5000iu dose and i figured that it would be too much...i could just inject 1/10th of the vial and dump the rest...i was taking 20mg/day nolvadex for the 2 weeks i was on the cycle and clomid for the last week...so my cycle ended up like this:
week 1 250sus 200mg primo 20mg/day nolv 2x merional
week same
week 3 20mg nolv 150mg clomid 1x merional

thanks in advance...

**redz** · 12-01-2009, 01:16 PM

I would say a week or 2 of clomid at 50mg ed would probably be enough considering you barely injected anything.

**BJJ** · 12-01-2009, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by aquila_argentum

i probably should have consulted you guys before i even started planning this cycle...but anyways i decided i'd cut the steroids for the mean time, i mean risking my health and libido for a few pounds of muscle really isn't worth it...i guess my question now is what kind of pct(if any) should i be doing....i did 2 weeks of sus250/week plus 200mg primo/week and my last primo/sus injection was about 10 days ago...during the 2 weeks i did hcg every 3 days-brand name merional, which is a blend of fsh lh hcg (75iu each) i have access to pregnyl but only at the 5000iu dose and i figured that it would be too much...i could just inject 1/10th of the vial and dump the rest...i was taking 20mg/day nolvadex for the 2 weeks i was on the cycle and clomid for the last week...so my cycle ended up like this:
week 1 250sus 200mg primo 20mg/day nolv 2x merional
week same
week 3 20mg nolv 150mg clomid 1x merional

thanks in advance...