Incorporating another compound into 2nd cycle.

**.EA.** · 11-30-2009, 02:36 PM

I have given this some thought. I personally don't want to take Nandrolone Decanoate since I take the crash pretty hard, for a little while at least. The Decanoate ester would rape me for at least a couple of weeks coming off. NPP however is still one of the choices.

My first cycle was Test and DBol as a kickstart. DBol is nice, however I'm not looking for a lot of water mass, and I'd rather just front load the Test.

Trenbolone is a little too harsh for what I'm looking for as well. I personally don't trust myself with the anger, even on medication. I'm nice, polite, calm and humble about 95% of the time, even at work (Doorman). However I'm one of those guys with a very angry past and I know how bad I can lose it, once I lose it. It's very hard to push me over the edge, but once over that line I'm unable to snap back and I just rage until I burn out. Doesn't happen often, hasn't happened in a year and a half, but I kind of...fear my rage especially with my previous training and now a little bit of a size (6' 5"/230/9% bf). I think I'll keep this option for my 5th+ cycle, once I'm not a novice at cycling anymore.

I'm just looking for suggestions and possible additions to my next cycle, which as of now includes a form of Testosterone , and a second compound which I have not decided yet. Again, not too big on Dbol and Drol. Haven't tried Drol yet, but I'm not looking for a lot of water mass as I have stated above.

Help would be greatly appreciated.

**thebigfella** · 11-30-2009, 03:25 PM

hmmmm well im not to sure bro,
http://www.steroid.com/effect.php
have a look at that chart and see if there is anything there what you like

**BREW-MAN** · 11-30-2009, 03:30 PM

Weeks 1-12 500mgs test per week

weeks 8-14 50/75mgs winny every day

i personaly love winny and think its a great compound.

**Researcher** · 11-30-2009, 03:37 PM

I've been reading alot of good things about Anavar , Masteron , Proviron , Halo.

**livebigdieyoung** · 11-30-2009, 03:39 PM

bro for a second cycle have tbol for the first 6 weeks and then use anavar to cut you up for the last four weeks of you cycle, what test you running? what pct you got lined up?

**livebigdieyoung** · 11-30-2009, 03:41 PM

you could always use a Ai throughout the cycle to stop water retention and could kickstart with 20mg of dbol and 50mg of drol for the first four weeks, i find that is a good combo

**Critical Mass** · 11-30-2009, 03:59 PM

T-bol,anavar ,winny,mast,eq. Or more test.

**.EA.** · 12-02-2009, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by livebigdieyoung

bro for a second cycle have tbol for the first 6 weeks and then use anavar to cut you up for the last four weeks of you cycle, what test you running? what pct you got lined up?

Thank you for the suggestion regarding TBol. I've kind of considered it, but haven't yet put deep thought into it.

I've got the basic PCT lined up, same as for my first cycle. Clomid at 100/100/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20. I already have the PCT, since I got a very good deal on both the Nolva and Clomid and have stacked up for at least a few cycles. And I mean I have at least 400 pills of both the Nolva and Clomid, so that shouldn't be a problem.

Secondly, what do you guys think of NPP? Too early for a second cycle?

And I haven't decided on which Test I'm going to run. As of right now it may be either Test E or Test Prop, depending on what else I'm running. I have no problem pinning either every day or every other day.

Keep the suggestions coming.

P.S.: I'm mainly looking to bulk. I have a very fast metabolism and am a smoker of about 3 to 4 cigarettes a day. I don't need to cut as of right now. The most bodyfat I have ever gotten was 11%.

**elpropiotorvic** · 12-02-2009, 04:13 AM

I haven't done anyreal cycles but from what i have read, Im gonna give you what I would like my cycle in the future to be

test prop as a front load
npp
and an oral like var or tbol
proviron

**BJJ** · 12-02-2009, 04:24 AM

I would add Oxandrolone the last 4 weeks of your cycle.

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by 50 times (more or less), depending on dose and time, most do not consider that it will also reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50%.
Oxandrolone has several studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen synthesis to enhance healing.

**Swifto** · 12-02-2009, 04:25 AM

I never seem to understand this. Perhaps is becuase I havent run either compound?

Deca and NPP are both Nandrolone , the parent hormone. It will cause cessation of ganadotropins VERY rapidly, whichever ester is attached. This maybe because its a complete agonist of the the PR, or its direct effects at the pituitary. Whichever product you use, expect to be "shutdown" in a number of days, not weeks.

Deconate will clear slightly longer, but it wont change the parent hormone's effects on the HPTA.

You thought about Primo? Making your own it 1/10th of the price, I've just done it.