equipoise, the truth!

**firsttimer22** · 12-01-2009, 07:31 PM

im running a cycle for 12weeks
test e 500mg/wk-12wks
eq 600mg wk/10-wks

i have heard so many mixed feelings on EQ, and would like to know if anyone knows the truth. Half the people say it doesnt do anything, half say its great, and suggestions?

**gymnerd** · 12-01-2009, 07:47 PM

Run the EQ for atleast 14 wks and run the test atleast a wk longer.

**Hazard** · 12-01-2009, 07:49 PM

Only way you are going to know for sure is to run it yourself.

All i'm going to say is that THERE IS NO EQ CONSPIRACY where everyone says it sucks to keep people small LOL!

People give THEIR personal experience...... your experience will be different from everyone else's.

~Haz~

**tboney** · 12-01-2009, 07:53 PM

I personally love eq. You do have to run it for at least 14 weeks at no less than 600 mgs a week. I think genetics has alot to do with whether or not people respond well to this compound. For example, I respond very well to eq but I know others who get little from it. I also believe that your bf needs to be low to get the full benefit.

**firsttimer22** · 12-01-2009, 07:56 PM

so hazard, are you saying its not worth it???

**gymnerd** · 12-01-2009, 08:34 PM

Like he said everyone will have a different opinion on it. I agree with tboney my bro ran EQ with test and it was awesome liked it much better than deca . I also think it depends on the brand of EQ you get I have heard of bottles of EQ that were actually test, and of course just oil.

**ganu** · 12-02-2009, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

Like he said everyone will have a different opinion on it. I agree with tboney my bro ran EQ with test and it was awesome liked it much better than deca. I also think it depends on the brand of EQ you get I have heard of bottles of EQ that were actually test, and of course just oil.

just oil..he he..bolde-non=oilypoise

**wharton** · 12-02-2009, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

im running a cycle for 12weeks
test e 500mg/wk-12wks
eq 600mg wk/10-wks

i have heard so many mixed feelings on EQ, and would like to know if anyone knows the truth. Half the people say it doesnt do anything, half say its great, and suggestions?

I have had good results from EQ however at 1000mg/wk and was eating like a horse it was only after I increased the dose to 2000mg/wk were I found the magic happened for me, I guess everyone is different though.

**Twist** · 12-02-2009, 03:47 AM

eq is the best steroid I have ever tried.

**Twist** · 12-02-2009, 03:49 AM

and the safest

**keith royd** · 12-02-2009, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by wharton

I have had good results from EQ however at 1000mg/wk and was eating like a horse it was only after I increased the dose to 2000mg/wk were I found the magic happened for me, I guess everyone is different though.

2k a week ...jeez

**workoutfreak078** · 12-02-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by firsttimer22

im running a cycle for 12weeks
test e 500mg/wk-12wks
eq 600mg wk/10-wks

i have heard so many mixed feelings on EQ, and would like to know if anyone knows the truth. Half the people say it doesnt do anything, half say its great, and suggestions?

Like everyone else has said, it really depends on the person. For me, EQ worked wonders. It added nice quality lean mass, shredded me up, made me extremely vascular, gave me rock hard muscles, and gave me some nice veins. I love the stuff. I suggest running it for atleast 14 - 16 weeks though. I notice the most gains from it after week 10. But, like I said, everybody is different.

**wharton** · 12-02-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by keith royd

2k a week ...jeez

Yea im a bit of a head case lol I'm currently on testProp 200mg/ed, trena 200mg/ed, mast 100mg/ed and also running var at 50mg/ed... If your gonna do high doses of a compound i suggest that you have already run the compound before and know exactly how your going to react to it, then start at quarter the dose and work your way up each week until you reach your peak. also keep ai's, blood pressure pils and acne control on hand. Also when your coming off pyramid back down over a few weeks or you will have a big rebound effect causing lots of sides.

**tboney** · 12-02-2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by wharton

I have had good results from EQ however at 1000mg/wk and was eating like a horse it was only after I increased the dose to 2000mg/wk were I found the magic happened for me, I guess everyone is different though.

I would not recommend this...2000mg /week?

**chuckt12345** · 12-02-2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by wharton

Yea im a bit of a head case lol I'm currently on testProp 200mg/ed, trena 200mg/ed, mast 100mg/ed and also running var at 50mg/ed... If your gonna do high doses of a compound i suggest that you have already run the compound before and know exactly how your going to react to it, then start at quarter the dose and work your way up each week until you reach your peak. also keep ai's, blood pressure pils and acne control on hand. Also when your coming off pyramid back down over a few weeks or you will have a big rebound effect causing lots of sides.

1400mg of test and tren a wk? how fkn big are you?

**dec11** · 12-02-2009, 09:41 AM

ive known guys who run their test 1250-1500mgs a week, eq 1000mgs, deca 1000mgs etc. conflicts alot with wat ive found on here

**romo6** · 12-02-2009, 11:12 AM

He is not recommending it,hes saying what he does.

**romo6** · 12-02-2009, 11:14 AM

Also when i run eq i go 20 weeks at 600.

**tboney** · 12-02-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by romo6

He is not recommending it,hes saying what he does.

Whats your point??? I said that I would not recommend it????????

**romo6** · 12-02-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by tboney

Whats your point??? I said that I would not recommend it????????

I understand,i myself would not recommend 2000 either.

**Mooseman33** · 12-02-2009, 12:17 PM

eq @ 2000mg week, whatever...
test p @ 1400mg week, whatever
tren a @ 1400mg week...holy shit man...

i would be on the news for a killing spree...

u are a mad man my friend, more power to u.. question however, how long do u run doses that high bro?

**MR10X** · 12-02-2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

eq @ 2000mg week, whatever...
test p @ 1400mg week, whatever
tren a @ 1400mg week...holy shit man...

i would be on the news for a killing spree...

u are a mad man my friend, more power to u.. question however, how long do u run doses that high bro?

I give him a week before he dies.......

**marcus300** · 12-02-2009, 12:39 PM

Its the worse steroid ive ever tried, ive ran it on its own and within stacks and in all cases it was a waste at building msucle tissue...Only way to find out if you respond to it is to try it but remember if your using it with another compound you could have misleading results.

**toothache** · 12-02-2009, 04:38 PM

So those who like eq, is the general consensus to run 600mg/week for at least 12-14 weeks?

**Twist** · 12-02-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

So those who like eq, is the general consensus to run 600mg/week for at least 12-14 weeks?

I ran less but yea that seems right.

Originally Posted by wharton

I have had good results from EQ however at 1000mg/wk and was eating like a horse it was only after I increased the dose to 2000mg/wk were I found the magic happened for me, I guess everyone is different though.

compensating for diet? (not trying to be mean)

**hankdiesel** · 12-02-2009, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by wharton

I have had good results from EQ however at 1000mg/wk and was eating like a horse it was only after I increased the dose to 2000mg/wk were I found the magic happened for me, I guess everyone is different though.

This cycle probably cost a 1/2 million dollars. I would rather run growth.

**romo6** · 12-02-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

This cycle probably cost a 1/2 million dollars. I would rather run growth.

It would if you were not home brewing.

**JinNtonic** · 12-02-2009, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by wharton

Yea im a bit of a head case lol I'm currently on testProp 200mg/ed, trena 200mg/ed, mast 100mg/ed and also running var at 50mg/ed... If your gonna do high doses of a compound i suggest that you have already run the compound before and know exactly how your going to react to it, then start at quarter the dose and work your way up each week until you reach your peak. also keep ai's, blood pressure pils and acne control on hand. Also when your coming off pyramid back down over a few weeks or you will have a big rebound effect causing lots of sides.

Wow!!! Thats crazy... I would love to see a current pic. You must be a beast!

**in2shape** · 12-02-2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by wharton

Yea im a bit of a head case lol I'm currently on testProp 200mg/ed, trena 200mg/ed, mast 100mg/ed and also running var at 50mg/ed... If your gonna do high doses of a compound i suggest that you have already run the compound before and know exactly how your going to react to it, then start at quarter the dose and work your way up each week until you reach your peak. also keep ai's, blood pressure pils and acne control on hand. Also when your coming off pyramid back down over a few weeks or you will have a big rebound effect causing lots of sides.

lol those high doses and var at 50 ????

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

1400mg of test and tren a wk? how fkn big are you?

not that big if thats your avatar especially concidering all the compounds and their doses , especially there doses !!!!!!

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

eq @ 2000mg week, whatever...
test p @ 1400mg week, whatever
tren a @ 1400mg week...holy shit man...

i would be on the news for a killing spree...

u are a mad man my friend, more power to u.. question however, how long do u run doses that high bro?

good q x2 here

Originally Posted by MR10X

I give him a week before he dies.......

3 days lol

Originally Posted by JinNtonic

Wow!!! Thats crazy... I would love to see a current pic. You must be a beast!

im calling pic too !!!! imho unless your competing getting paid or have been given bad news and only have 5 years to live wtf dude , ????!!!! honestly wtf !!!!!

im not havin a go here mate but fuk me that is alot of gear im guessing youve run a few cycles b4 but whats the next step from hete 3000mg test , 3000 tren , 3000 deca 100mg dbol ed , see where im goin with this ?? would be interesting to see what pct u run or are running ?????

**wharton** · 12-03-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by in2shape

lol those high doses and var at 50 ????

not that big if thats your avatar especially concidering all the compounds and their doses , especially there doses !!!!!!

good q x2 here

3 days lol

im calling pic too !!!! imho unless your competing getting paid or have been given bad news and only have 5 years to live wtf dude , ????!!!! honestly wtf !!!!!

im not havin a go here mate but fuk me that is alot of gear im guessing youve run a few cycles b4 but whats the next step from hete 3000mg test , 3000 tren , 3000 deca 100mg dbol ed , see where im goin with this ?? would be interesting to see what pct u run or are running ?????

LoL looks like I caused a bit of an up raw here so here goes.
No thats not my current pic its a few tattoos and lb short. Yes my cycle is ****ed up so am I and I like it that way.. no i aint gonna die my blood work is good. I dont get that angry from anything(roidrage) other than the weights at the gym. The VAR dose of 50mg is proven to help burn visceral fat(fats around the organs) also i like it. No its not expensive to me. Yes I do homebrew. to the guy who said he would rather use growth, I do use growth as well at 8iu a day. I am not running eq at the moment but I said the magic happens to me at 2000mg/wk.

My current cycle
200mg/ed trena
200mg/ed prop
100mg/ed mast
50mg/ed var
8iu/ed hgh 191aa

My Current Diet?

Meal one = 150g oats with 10 eggs & 30g nuts.
Meal two = 350g lean mince beef & 300g potato
Meal three = Pro shake ( 50g pro 100g carbs)
Meal four = 250g chicken breast, 50g rice & veg
Meal five = 250g chicken breast & veg
Meal six = 60g egg white powder & 75g scottish fine oats
Wake up in night? = Pro shake ( 50g pro )

Between meals? = Lots of mixed nuts.

My Current Workout?

Monday Chest, calves
All chest done 4 sets per exercise, 15 down to 8 or 7reps:
Bench press 4sets all same
Incline bench press
incline dumbbell press
incline dumbbell flyes
standing cable crossovers
All calf exercises done at 20 + reps weight increasing each set!:
seated raises 3 sets all same
Standing raises
toes on leg press

Tuesday quads, hams
Pyramiding with 2 warm up sets done from 15 to 6 reps:
leg extensions 4 sets warm up!
Deep deep squats!!! 8 sets,
leg press 6 sets
hack squats 4 sets
leg curls 4 sets

Thursday shoulders, Traps, Abs
all shoulder exercise done from 15 to 8 rep range mayb 6.:
Smith press 5 sets
lying cable crossovers 4 sets rear delt
arnold press 4 sets
bent over cable crossovers 4 sets rear delts
side laterals 4 sets
barbell shrugs Heavy! 5 sets
Weighted crunches on cable with rope 4 sets

Friday , Back from 12 down to 6 rep range:
Deadlifts 6sets
Wide grip pulldowns 4 sets
rest back done with 15 down to 10 reps, slighty higher!:
Bent over barbell rows 4 sets
close grip pulldowns 4 sets
machine pullovers 4 sets

Saturday biceps, triceps
Arms done one for one! one tricep exercise one bicep exercise!
All done on 15 down to 8 or 7 reps:
One arm reverse cable pulldowns 4 sets
ez curls 4 sets
behind head dumbbell extensions 4 sets
preacher dumbbell curls 4 sets
pulldowns 4 sets
cable curls 4 sets
crossface tricep extensions 4 sets
standing dumbbell curls 4 sets
kickbacks 4 sets

My Current weight 240-245lb
BF%15 ish

What am I doing now? Cutting..
Do I ever come off test? No.

Any other questions PM me.

P.S Get Mazzive or die trying.. lol

**chuckt12345** · 12-03-2009, 11:11 AM

thats alot of tren man,, what are your sides like

**wharton** · 12-03-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

thats alot of tren man,, what are your sides like

Sweats, lac of sleep, weird dreams.. Immense strength benched 240kg for 6reps today not my best but enough for now. I'm gettin less sides at this dosage than I did at 100mg/ed might be just me getting used to it or some other factor not sure.

**Mooseman33** · 12-03-2009, 12:03 PM

how long do u run those doses for?

thanks for taking the time to follow up and answer these questions bro, really cool of u...

**wharton** · 12-03-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

how long do u run those doses for?

thanks for taking the time to follow up and answer these questions bro, really cool of u...

No prob bro. The Var will be around 5 weeks or so, the tren is gonna be 7-10 weeks same as the prop and mast depends on gains and how i feel at week 6 and onwards how long i stay on, the last 2 weeks of the cycle i will throw in 300mg/wk of testEorC and stay on that.

**glover** · 12-03-2009, 12:36 PM

Wharton I like your cycle and if your experienced like you are then nothing seems out of wack to me. But my question is where the hell do you put all those injects?
Are you injecting twice a day?

**wharton** · 12-03-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by glover

Wharton I like your cycle and if your experienced like you are then nothing seems out of wack to me. But my question is where the hell do you put all those injects?
Are you injecting twice a day?

I do it in one jab before bed 200mg/ml Prop, 200mg/ml TrenA and 100mg/ml Mast. so only 3ml Jab there all made with 100%EO 2%ba and 20-30%bb except the mast which is 50-50 EO/GSO 2/20. sites: Rear Delts, Side Delts, Glutes and Quads, so got 8 sites.

**NVR2BIG1** · 12-03-2009, 01:07 PM

I like EQ myself, 4-600mg/wk is a good dosage. Dont go any less than 400/wk, but anymore than 600/wk if its your first time using it. Good quality, retainable gains for me. Everyone is different, I know ectomorphs who get big and lean on dbol , I get fat and bloated. Everyone is truly different, but when you find a stack you like and you know it works use it!! And keep it simple

**Misery13** · 12-03-2009, 01:08 PM

I love eq...I run 600mg eq and 750mg test e for ws weeks and get great results...

**Vitruvian-Man** · 12-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by wharton

LoL looks like I caused a bit of an up raw here so here goes.
No thats not my current pic its a few tattoos and lb short. Yes my cycle is ****ed up so am I and I like it that way.. no i aint gonna die my blood work is good. I dont get that angry from anything(roidrage) other than the weights at the gym. The VAR dose of 50mg is proven to help burn visceral fat(fats around the organs) also i like it. No its not expensive to me. Yes I do homebrew. to the guy who said he would rather use growth, I do use growth as well at 8iu a day. I am not running eq at the moment but I said the magic happens to me at 2000mg/wk.

My current cycle
200mg/ed trena
200mg/ed prop
100mg/ed mast
50mg/ed var
8iu/ed hgh 191aa

My Current weight 240-245lb
BF%15 ish

What am I doing now? Cutting..
Do I ever come off test? No.

Any other questions PM me.

P.S Get Mazzive or die trying.. lol

I applaud you for coming back into this thread and owning all these boys

lol.

hilarious man.

To be honest, I never talk about mega-dosing on the open forums, but I like to run my EQ at a gram to get the results I want from it. I also love stacking EQ w/ 19-nors, I think there is solid synergy between the two. I think EQ is only beneficial for those at low, low BF%. Anything over 12% and I consider it to be near pointless. (optimal range IMO = 7 - 9.5%)

**wharton** · 12-03-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

I applaud you for coming back into this thread and owning all these boys

lol.

hilarious man.

To be honest, I never talk about mega-dosing on the open forums, but I like to run my EQ at a gram to get the results I want from it. I also love stacking EQ w/ 19-nors, I think there is solid synergy between the two. I think EQ is only beneficial for those at low, low BF%. Anything over 12% and I consider it to be near pointless. (optimal range IMO = 7 - 9.5%)

X2 lower the bf the more you will see results and your veins popping out of everywhere. And I wouldn't of even noticed this thread again if one of the guys didn't PM me asking a question about it, glad I did now