Can you go from bulking to cutting in the same cycle?

**mrutah** · 12-01-2009, 07:54 PM

sorry if this sounds stupid but I have been doing 500 mills of cyp for around 4 weeks at first I was using cyp with prop but still not going over 500 mills. Basically my situation is this I feel stronger look bigger have went from around 210 to 225 I have been eating around 4000 to 4500 cals daily, alot of protein. this is when the question starts I just hate the water retention, and im sure I have gained some fat as well, so should I
1. drop cals below maintenance and use prop at 500 mills weekly because I would hold less water.
2. use prop with anavar and cut cals.
3. Just continue for another 8 weeks and then cut after its all done. I just have been holding a ton of water weight. and I was probably around 14-15 percent bodyfat when I started.

Thanks guys sorry if this is a stupid question.

**J0k3R** · 12-01-2009, 08:08 PM

IMO do not bulk and cut during the same cycle. Just worry about getting as much mass as possible, keep the calories and protein up. Save your cutter for a separate cycle because after this cycle the water will come off and you'll notice your leaner than you think. Water retention is a bitch.

You can also invest in some arimidex at .25 g EOD and raise the dosage from there as you need. This should get rid of your problem.

**mrutah** · 12-01-2009, 08:18 PM

thanks for responding man, it just sucks I have been doing what I have read from everyone like drinking a ton of water and stuff I thought about a otc dieuretic, and I have nolvadex on hand but I had always heard the the nolva would lessen the gains that you get from a cycle so I have been trying to stay away from it, I just hope I didn't put on to much fat over thanksgiving I ate a ton of crap.

**Hamma Head** · 12-01-2009, 09:19 PM

The best thing is to keep your diet clean while on cycle, the water bloat will go away a few weeks after your last shot, thats when I looked the best, ripped!

**alpmaster** · 12-01-2009, 09:34 PM

I have bulk->cut in the same cycle and it works fine (duh) I just don't think it's necessary by your post if all you're worried about is water retention.

**BJJ** · 12-03-2009, 09:09 AM

Are you bulking? Then keep bulking eating correctly.
Then, the cutting time may come.

And by the way:
He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever...

**dec11** · 12-03-2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by alpmaster

I have bulk->cut in the same cycle and it works fine (duh) I just don't think it's necessary by your post if all you're worried about is water retention.

pleasant as ever

**Bossman** · 12-03-2009, 09:46 AM

I usually add most of my weight early in the cycle. I use fast esthers so there is no waiting, and with the prop you're in the same boat.

Your heavy weight gain will not continue unless you continue to have a large calorie surplus. Stay away from diuretics. Muscle should be hydrated. As recommended, arimidex at .25mg Ed will help keeping your estrogen in check and subsequent water gain minimal. I use adex in every cycle to keep moon face in check.

If you dont want to gain that much weight, you might want to rethink using AAS.

**alpmaster** · 12-03-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by declan11

pleasant as ever

Hmm?

**CaliPhotog** · 12-03-2009, 10:27 AM

I know exactly how you feel! I am currently in the same boat with the water retention, but I just wrapped my head around the fact that I am going to be much happier with myself when the times comes to cut and I have more muscle mass to work with. #1). You will have more calories in your cutting diet if you have more muscle and #2) Once you adjust kCals and macros and start a cardio program the extra fat will fall off pretty quickly. You will be fine. Just bulk. Don't be a moron and eat garbage, but continue to bulk.