starting new cycle..... need advice

**dswanson** · 12-02-2009, 12:28 AM

THis is my 3rd cycle.
24 yrs of age
200 lbs
16% bf
6'0'' tall
Im planning on running:
30 mg dbol ed weeks 1 and 2
sus at 500mg/week for weeks 1-12
deca at 300mg/week for weeks 1-12
milk thistle at 1-1.5grams week 1 and 2
hcg 250 iu 2 times a week for weeks 1-13
tylers liver detox ed weeks 1-4

pct is nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

Any advice would be great, my first cycles were less thought out and i want to feel good about this one before i start.

**Hard.On** · 12-02-2009, 12:46 AM

Very thought out...

what were your first 2 cycles and how well have you kept your gains?

**peachfuzz** · 12-02-2009, 01:33 AM

16% is a little to high to start a cycle like that IMO. i really think you should drop more before starting this cycle. also the HCG i would start at around week 4 or 5 but thats up to you.

**LeroyB** · 12-02-2009, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

16% is a little to high to start a cycle like that IMO. i really think you should drop more before starting this cycle. also the HCG i would start at around week 4 or 5 but thats up to you.

Hey peachfuzz, for my own curiosity, why do you think 16% is too high.
Thanks!

**peachfuzz** · 12-02-2009, 01:47 AM

with those compounds its likely he will add some bodyfat. the higher bodyfat the more prone you are to estrogen related sides, high blood pressure etc. you also respond better when coming out of a cutting phase and into a cycle like that. overall 16 is a little on the high side.

**dswanson** · 12-02-2009, 06:17 AM

My first cycle was test enan and my second was sustanon .
I made some gains the first cycle but didnt plan it out as well.
During the second I put on 20 lbs and was able to keep between 10 and 15lbs

**LeroyB** · 12-03-2009, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

with those compounds its likely he will add some bodyfat. the higher bodyfat the more prone you are to estrogen related sides, high blood pressure etc. you also respond better when coming out of a cutting phase and into a cycle like that. overall 16 is a little on the high side.

Yea I hear ya there - but as someone that cycles / lifts / eats for sport and strength (rugby forward) I could not care less about a little body fat, that's why i asked. I know what you say is true but from an estrogen standpoint isn't 16% still pretty safe - I thought like 25% and up was were you started taking on the estro sides bad.

**peachfuzz** · 12-03-2009, 08:23 PM

different strokes for different folks. 16% is nothing crazy, and if his goal is athletic performance (or yours for that matter) then sure, no need to cut first, but if hed like to respond better and be more aesthetically pleasing then i would advise cutting first.

**EZ E** · 12-03-2009, 09:32 PM

I think you need to run the test 2 weeks longer than the deca .

**peachfuzz** · 12-03-2009, 09:34 PM

not sust^

**thebigfella** · 12-03-2009, 09:35 PM

good course bro
im running
500mg sus weekly
400mg dec weekly
60mg d-bol everday for 6weeks

you will grow like a mother****er
one of the best bulks around