Returning gyno when way off cycle

[Zerocyber]

I did a few cycles about two years ago. The last one had Trenbollone in it and I started getting gyno, so I cut it and started PCT. The lumps and sensitivity went away, but the puffy nips stayed. Something like six months after being off PCT, the lumps and sensitivity started coming back. I got some Letrozole and knocked it out again, tapering off real good at the end. I never felt quite right after all that. Like, my sex drive was shot for a year or so and is still not where it should be. Anyway, some months later, it comes back again. That time I ran Bromocriptine. Worked again and my drive came back up a little. Now, a few months later, the lumps and sensitivity started coming back yet again. I'm currently running Pramipexole, which is working, but I seem to have a serious problem with this crap coming back every 3-6 months for no apparent reason and my drive still isn't nearly where it was before I ever did any of this. WTF?

[nwic]

Man I wish I could help you bro, but I know nothing. these are the posts that scare me enough to reconsider doing my 1st cycle.
Someone on here will know what to do man,best of luck to you.

[Hamma Head]

I had the same thing happen to me years after I stopped juicing. I noticed gyno during a stressfull period in my life so I ended up doing the surgery, sure glad I did, it takes a load of pressure off yourself and you dont have to take any meds to keep it away.

[management26]

I feel for you bro. I swear to God, if I even smell test, my gyno flares. Any chance you're taking Propecia?

[JinNtonic]

Damn I dont want to ever mess with Gyno. I feel for you guys.

[nwic]

Is there anyway to know if you are gyno prone. I was going to do some test with super tren in about a month. I am like 23 % blubber and it is all gut and chest, I carry alot of fat on my chest, Its not like i have saggy chick tits but when I flex pecs my chest is not hard there is a good layer of fat over them.

I got to know if I am about to make a huge mistake. Friends tell me no worries just keep the food clean and 7 days of cardio on top of training and my results will be great.

so lost

[JinNtonic]

Why cycle if you cannot even see the muscle? I would get your diet fixed then hit the cardio for a few months first.

I was once 285lbs, I fixed diet and now am a solid 210lbs with much more muscle. Still need to drop BF%

[cubnlynx]

You might need surgey there is a everything you need to know about gyno post on this site some where. I think in the article forum check it out might help u out

[nwic]

Why cycle if you cannot even see the muscle? I would get your diet fixed then hit the cardio for a few months first.

I was once 285lbs, I fixed diet and now am a solid 210lbs with much more muscle. Still need to drop BF%

I dont want to highjack this thread, not my intention.


thanks for the reply JinNtonic...

[flake]

i have had the same problem for 2 years now, i went to the doc had some blood work done my test level was at 1 over the past 2 months it has raised to 5 the normal range is between 10 -35

i found when my test is low i have no problems when the natural test starts to raise i have nipple pains

i was first give bromo for the pains, on taking this the pains stopped but when i come off bromo 3monts later the problems start again when back to the doc and on research if you take bromo for a long period of time it lowers test this is why i had no pain when natural test starts to raise problems start again

still currently going through this with my doc regular blood work

i think we could have the problem

1} go see your doc tell him everything with date so he knows how long its been going on for

2} get blood and ask what levels your at and where they should be

i hope this help and you get your problems sorted good luck pm me and let me know how you get on

[meathead320]

Why cycle if you cannot even see the muscle? I would get your diet fixed then hit the cardio for a few months first.

I was once 285lbs, I fixed diet and now am a solid 210lbs with much more muscle. Still need to drop BF%

I know several guys who only use AAS when cutting.

Think of it like this, you got some people who have 20%+ bodyfat, and they will lift weights a lot, but as you said they cannot see the muscle.

Say they are 220 pounds at that, and have 176 pounds of lean body weight, minus all the fat. At 10% bodyfat with all that muscle they would weigh 198 pounds.

SO they diet and cardio hardcore, but still natural down to 198, but they are still 15% fat. They have lost 8 pounds of muscle with the 14 pounds of fat they lost, and that is if they are doing eveything smart natural. It is very easy to lose muscle dieting natural, and most certainly do not gain anything.

Now if the guy is even on a small dose of test, say 200mg EW, for a first cycle while cutting, they may not gain a ton of muscle, but being that in most guys that is 2x or more the natural level of testosterone, they may actually not lose any muslce at all, and even gain a bit while cutting.

They will more quickly lose the fat getting down to 10%, and maybe even have more muscle at the end, and at the least not have lost nearly as much muscle while cutting.

[nwic]

I know several guys who only use AAS when cutting.

Think of it like this, you got some people who have 20%+ bodyfat, and they will lift weights a lot, but as you said they cannot see the muscle.

Say they are 220 pounds at that, and have 176 pounds of lean body weight, minus all the fat. At 10% bodyfat with all that muscle they would weigh 198 pounds.

SO they diet and cardio hardcore, but still natural down to 198, but they are still 15% fat. They have lost 8 pounds of muscle with the 14 pounds of fat they lost, and that is if they are doing eveything smart natural. It is very easy to lose muscle dieting natural, and most certainly do not gain anything.

Now if the guy is even on a small dose of test, say 200mg EW, for a first cycle while cutting, they may not gain a ton of muscle, but being that in most guys that is 2x or more the natural level of testosterone, they may actually not lose any muslce at all, and even gain a bit while cutting.

They will more quickly lose the fat getting down to 10%, and maybe even have more muscle at the end, and at the least not have lost nearly as much muscle while cutting.

That is pretty much what my AAS buds said, I hope your all right.
I have like another three weeks before my gear is here and in the meantime
I set a doc appt to see what he can do for me for my low test problem. I have been fighting off depression and high anxiety for the last year and I think it has somthing to do with my low test. The doc put me on anti/anxiety pills and I hated the way I felt so no more of that ever for me.
One doc gave me androgel but I felt no difference, I'm hoping to get some injects and try that for some time and see how it goes.

The weight numbers you gave example of is spot on me, I am 5'11 and age 35
and the last 3 years have been hell for me to lose fat. I like to feel strong but when you are on around a 2000-2300 cals a day in order to lose fat I feel like crap most of the time.

With a good cycle could I up my food intake to say 3000 cals?

[Zerocyber]

Negative on the Propecia management26.

i have had the same problem for 2 years now, i went to the doc had some blood work done my test level was at 1 over the past 2 months it has raised to 5 the normal range is between 10 -35

i found when my test is low i have no problems when the natural test starts to raise i have nipple pains

i was first give bromo for the pains, on taking this the pains stopped but when i come off bromo 3monts later the problems start again when back to the doc and on research if you take bromo for a long period of time it lowers test this is why i had no pain when natural test starts to raise problems start again

still currently going through this with my doc regular blood work

i think we could have the problem

1} go see your doc tell him everything with date so he knows how long its been going on for

2} get blood and ask what levels your at and where they should be

i hope this help and you get your problems sorted good luck pm me and let me know how you get on

Should this be an endocrinologist or just a general practice doctor?

[flake]

i went to my gp 2months ago going for blood results this end of this week

going to your gp will get the ball rolling if he cant help the will refer you to someone who can

iam in the u.k at the moment iam still with my gp and not yet been refered

[flake]

also i found that if i drink anything too cold or eat spicy food a get a sharp burning pain in the nipple

also is it in both nipple or one as i only get it in the left one

[Zerocyber]

It's in both, I suppose. It's kinda weird. It only does one at a time, but has flared up in both over the years.