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    panthera is offline New Member
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    need advice considering first cycle plus some newbie questions

    hi, this is my first post so bear with me if i ask a stupid question...i've been reading up on aas for the last month and i'm considering on goind my first cycle...my stats:
    age 27
    lifting experience 9 years (4 serious)
    1.83m (6 ft) 84kg (about 185lbs)
    bf % 10-12 (based on biomertic impedance analysis....i don't really trust it because i had a 9% measurement followed by a 14% after weeks and i had a normal diet...)

    i'm aiming for 195-205lbs bf 8% in the long-run, i understand that i have to make a choice between a bulking cycle and a cutting one...so i'd have to do 2 cycles min....does it matter which one i do first? also would gaining 15-20lbs of lean mass affect my athleticism (40yrd dash and vertical)

    i have access to any pharmaceutical/veterinary aas(sust, various test, primo, eq,anadrol ,etc) and i'm hesitant about using ugl gear due to sterility/purity concerns...so my questions are:

    1) which aas are the least suppressive of hpta per anabolic affect they induce....does it matter how suppressive of hpta the cycle is for the pct? i mean don't all cycles completely shut off hpta after a few weeks into it?

    2)whats the difference between nolvadex and clomid? i know they're both serms and have a similar chemical structure but is there any difference in mechanism of action/pharmacodynamics? i understand some people run nolva during cycle for antiestrogen purposes, is clomid ineffective in this regard? i've also read in a thread that clomid can decrease the pituary's sensitivity to GnRH secreted by the hypothalamus...wouldn't that negatively impact pct?(same post indicated nolva increased pit. sensitivity)

    3) if and how should i incorporate femara/arimidex into cycle or pct? i know they're expensive but money is not an issue i've got deep pockets, i know femara eliminates estradiol levels by 98 per cent....would that kill my sex drive(or at the very least would i still be able to maintain an erection long enough to have sex)?

    4) how do aas users deal with hepatotoxicity? i understand orals that are 17aa are significantly more toxic than injectables, but would weekly(or more frequent if necessary) bloodwork(liver enzymes) be sufficient to track liver condition? i mean is there any false negative for liver panel for diagnosing liver damage/hepatocellular adenoma? i could get weekly mri or ultrasonography if necessary...would that suffice?

    5) would use of statins impede gains during cycle?

    6)use of hcg /hmg...would use of hcg during cycle prevent testicular atrophy? would i also have to throw in hmg(brand name merional-blend of fsh lh hcg) suficiently maintain testicular function? (both leydig and sertoli cells) this is very important because i'm a single child and i can't take the risk of depriving my parents of a grandchild...in other words, worst case scenario if i permanently shut down hpta i gotta be able to take hcg/hmg for the next decade or so to maintain fertility...the question is does long term use of hcg/hmg desensitize leydig/sertoli cells?i searched pubmed for a relevant article but i couldn't find any...

    i'm still in the deliberation phase of planning my cycle....it's not set in stone or anything...how does something like this sound?

    weeks 1-4 anadrol 100mg/day or dianabol 20mg/day
    weeks 5-10 durabolin 200mg/week or parabolan 228mg/week (3 amps) and/or primobolan 300 (or 100mg)/week
    weeks 2-10 sustanon 500mg/week or test prop 75mg/day
    weeks 1-10 hcg 100iu/day hmg 2or3 x week (75iu fsh lh hcg each)
    weeks 1-10 femara/arimidex
    PCT nolvadex/clomid plus anything else i need

    i've already done my bloodwork so i can keep track of liver damage and hpta suppression
    ALT 12 (9-60)
    AST 16 (10-40)
    ALP 47 (30-120)
    GGT 5 (0-51)
    LH 3.85 (1.7-8.6)
    FSH 3.85 (1.5-12.4)
    Test 6.12 (3-10)
    i'll cut the orals as soon as the levels exceed the ref. range..i intend to get bloodwork twice a week, would that be sufficient? i need to figure out a way of keeping track of the hpta, does hcg show up as lh on the lab tests?
    i'm torn between sust and prop, what worries me about the sust is that one of the esters, decanoate has a half life of about 15 days, doesn't that mean that after 30 days 25%, after 45 days 12.5% etc ? if for some reason i have to quit the cycle (eg liver problems) than i would still have to wait a considerable amount of time before my levels are back to normal...plus wouldn't elevated circulating t levels for weeks following cessation of aas jeopardize pct? i won't be self administering the injections so daily injections won't trouble me plus i can have the sites rotated so injection fibrosis is less likely to occur...
    between durabolin and parabolan....i honestly don't know much about these 2...i know parabolan doesnt aromatize and doesn't cause bloating/water retention issues...i know it puts stress on the kidney in addition to the liver so i'll have to do urinalysis every week and keep track of psa levels to monitor prostate hyperplasia. durabolin on the other hand i've heard causes elevated est levels, does nandrolone interact with aromatase enzyme or is another mechanism of action involved? would femara/arimidex work to keep est levels in check or would i have to resort to some other med? i'm not use primo can be considered an alternative for the other two or whether if i could throw it in as 3rd compound...its dht based so it wont aromatize and i've heard its not overly suppressive of hpta when used in moderate doses....anyways this is what i have plannd in my head, any comments?

    thanks in advance

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    are my questions so stupid that they don't warrant an answer??????

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    Jus use test for first cycle, sust if you cannot get E or C. But preferabley E or C.

    Run it for 10-12 weeks at 250-500mg PW

    Nolva 40,40,20,20
    Clomid 100, 50, 50 50

    Pct starts 14 days after last C or E shot.

    See how you react to that first

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    Alot of the basic questions you've asked can be answered easily by doing some research in this forum.

    If you are 6ft@185, you still have alot of growing to do naturally before considering the use of AAS.

    If I were you, the first place I'd start here would be in the diet section and go list an axample of your daily diet and try to include macros.

    Good luck.

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